Sorry but this is complete and utter bullshit. Don't fall for the lies and propaganda put out by the social engineers within the democratic party. But of course me pointing this out to you will probably only make you harden your stance even more, because if you're in that party, the veil is firmly over your eyes. It's a cult built around feelings and imagination at this point, not logic and reality.
These corrupt politicians in the democratic party commit fraud on large scales, using your feelings to manipulate you. One example of many of their manipulative, fraudulent nature is attempting to rig the 2016 election for Hillary, pushing Sanders out. The reason they don't want a voter ID is so that they can commit election fraud, but they appeal to your emotions by saying disenfranchised people are the reason. This is painfully obvious to anyone with a logical brain who can recognize these patterns on large scales.
Sociopaths exist. They are driven by their desire to be at the top, lording over other people. Where might they find themselves in positions of said power? Could it be in politics? Within the party that prides itself on being very socially oriented? Seems like a good place to climb to the top if you're a good social engineer (a sociopath), does it not? Would they do and say anything to rise to the top? Most sociopaths certainly would. Why is it that the most corrupt, downtrodden cities are very blue? What happened to places like Baltimore? Where is all that money going?
For the record, I'm not saying any of these things out of hate. I'm saying these things out of love. I want every single person on this planet to thrive. But that can't happen as long as people remain useful idiots by supporting causes based on emotions instead of logic. People smarter than you can easily manipulate you through your emotions. It would be extremely naive to deny this possibility (reality).
Edit for the downvoters: How's that Russian collusion narrative going? You're being manipulated.
As an EX democrat, I'd say the Democrat party is broken too, the amount of election fraud, and corruption in the party makes it look like the Mafia. The whole system is broken and we need to pass the anti-corruption bill asap, if we're to have a chance to take back our country from wall street.
EDIT: I say ex loosely.. I voted mostly dem. down the line, but wrote in Bernie Sanders, I'm not fond of Jill Stein something about her doesn't seem right. But I couldn't in good conscience do a protest vote for Trump, and I can never support Clinton, the most corrupt politician of the past 40 years.
Ironic. The "Democrats are trying to allow voter fraud" is itself a talking point from your favorite source of disinformation.
And calling the Republicans of the 19th century the party of "Northeast elites" is exceedingly historically inaccurate. The Democrats were as well, and the only reason why Lincoln won originally was that there was a party split in the Democratic party that year. The Democrats nominated two candidates (one northern and one southern) and split their vote. Not to mention that the initial push for a national ID card was during FDRs presidency, who was probably the strongest centralized government technocrat president we've ever had, _and_ a Democrat. And all of that is ignoring the southern strategy, and who's fighting which sides of these issues today.
Saying that only Republicans do this is ridiculous. The Democrats are masters of identity politics, which was totally unproductive in all aspects by design. Handouts and freebies to buy votes and appeal to the most basest desires while ignoring all personal responsibility. Using mass illegal immigration to influence elections. Using outright voting fraud to influence elections. All in a total effort to cement power--it's all about the power, not what they will do with it once they have it. Which, news flash, isn't going to be good for the productive citizens of the US.
This seems like a confirmation that the Democratic Party is run by a cabal of insiders who subvert the democratic electoral process to promote party leaders' preferred candidates. That didn't go so well for the Party in 2016.
If you think Democrats aren't just as corrupt and willing to pass bills that are bad for the people but good for their donors, I have a bridge in Arizona to sell you. The problem here is that the vast majority of public officials are corrupt, not which party they happen to run with.
I'd vote Democrat over Republican every day of the week but it's denialism to pretend this doesn't enable this sociopathic approach to governance. You're appealing to tribalism because it fits your values. I wholeheartedly disagree that this is a healthy way to approach politics.
The democratic majority is not your friend unless you are part of it. Think about anyone convicted of socially reprehensible crimes. The information that you used to be a pedophile will certainly make your life a living hell when it is used for the good of the people.
To the best of my knowledge, you are correct that Democrats do not typically purge the rolls. Their strategy is to get dead people to vote, and to bus people around to vote fraudulently in multiple districts.
Of course both parties cheat at as large a scale as they can get away with. If nothing else, if you really must conceptualize the Democrats as wholly good without a spot of blemish on them, then how can you believe there are no Democrats who consider it a moral imperative to cheat as much as they can to prevent Republicans from getting in? To think that either party is so ethical that they would never consider cheating at all is to require not only a very high bar of ethics, but a very particular bar of ethics to be met... in the world of politics, with control over the largest economy in the history of the world at stake. Are all Democrats really that purely deontologists?
Partisanship and old loyalties make it very hard for people to see the Democratic Party has changed dramatically in the past few decades. Dems used to be the party of the working class, now it's the party of the global elite. Used to be the party of labor, now it's the party of big capital. Used to be the party of civil liberties, now it's the party of censorship, surveillance, and totalitarianism. I tore my membership card up after the past year.
The Democrat party in the US is interested in finding the most vulnerable people in society, giving them limited (but not enough) handouts, and then hinging more handouts on being voted back into office. It’s a huge grift
The Democrat Party has almost made it its official platform to make it very easy for non-citizens to vote; since they're most likely to vote Democrat. They support a holiday for elections; only because it would make it easier for a part of their base to vote, not because of any benefit to voters in general. They come up with all sorts of excuses to keep people on electoral rolls; whether they should be or not. They raise the bogey (boogeyman?) of Republicans raising the bogey of "voter fraud" each and every election; even though there has been voter fraud throughout the country's history and used to be part of the platform of Progressives of the past. Edit: meaning Progressives of the past were fighting voter fraud, which many Progressives of today claim doesn't exist.
Give us some more. It's easy to provide the cynical but plausible reverse when demonizing people according to group identity/accusations thrown out there for polarizing political drama.
And before anyone jumps the gun, as often happens in these cases because people can be silly, these comments may or may not reflect my personal political views.
EDIT: you forgot the Social Security scare the Democrats accuse the Republicans from time-to-time to get old people to vote Democrat. Or is that one played out?
And this is how Democratic voters become Republicans..
Never pitch this office. These people are trying to centralize control and create a political elite-- insiders who may pass through their imaginary gates to the city. Pay to play.
The parties support the policies that will help them win. Thinking this is an ideological position rather than a tactical one is wrong. If it turned out that Voter ID laws would benefit Democrats, they would support them in an instant.
I mean this with all due respect but you sound very naive IMHO. The Democratic party is as corporatist and right as it has ever been. Voting for either major party will do nothing to solve the problem as has been proven by a study from Princeton on this, which is summed up wonderfully in these graphs:
>Targeted voter suppression campaigns have prevented people from voting who would have tipped the scales in favor of Democrats.
And the Democrats have spun reasonable measures, such as requiring some sort of identification to vote, as "suppression", possibly so those who aren't citizens can vote. Who cheats more? Who knows.
The low-hanging fruit for the Democrats is, however:
1) Prioritize lower/middle class economic concerns over progressive identity politics
2) Push the DNC not to scuttle candidates, like Bernie, that people don't universally loathe
If those two things get done, the Democrats have a good chance going forward. Otherwise, who knows.
Corruption is something a government can have; what does it mean for a party to be corrupt?
If people think it means the party doesn't reflect the will of the voters... Not exactly. That's always been the structure of the Democratic party. Popular will is tempered by party leadership. That's baked into the structure of the Democratic party itself. The party that lacks that kind of tempering is the GOP, and as a result it tends to run populists who may or may not actually have any government qualification (one won the Presidency in 2016; a couple have won state governorship over the years).
The resulting apologies and resignations were an attempt to reconcile with voters who, fundamentally, did not understand how the party they support actually works. No shame in that; it's a big and complex machine. But it's never been a machine that just reflects the unmodified will of the people who toss ballots into the box with a 'D' next to their name in the primaries. That's one source of signal the party uses to decide who it will run.
To give another example: in 2008, in response to the Florida party leadership running their primary earlier than the national committee authorized them to run it, the committee stripped all the Florida delegates of their vote in the national convention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Florida_Democratic_presid...). Then, it compromised (at its discretion) by seating them but only counting half of each of their votes. That is the nature of the power the democratic party national leadership has to wield at its discretion, without oversight, as per its charter.
People just don't know this because people don't know the parties.
These corrupt politicians in the democratic party commit fraud on large scales, using your feelings to manipulate you. One example of many of their manipulative, fraudulent nature is attempting to rig the 2016 election for Hillary, pushing Sanders out. The reason they don't want a voter ID is so that they can commit election fraud, but they appeal to your emotions by saying disenfranchised people are the reason. This is painfully obvious to anyone with a logical brain who can recognize these patterns on large scales.
Sociopaths exist. They are driven by their desire to be at the top, lording over other people. Where might they find themselves in positions of said power? Could it be in politics? Within the party that prides itself on being very socially oriented? Seems like a good place to climb to the top if you're a good social engineer (a sociopath), does it not? Would they do and say anything to rise to the top? Most sociopaths certainly would. Why is it that the most corrupt, downtrodden cities are very blue? What happened to places like Baltimore? Where is all that money going?
https://www.baltimoresun.com/education/bs-md-ci-school-audit...
For the record, I'm not saying any of these things out of hate. I'm saying these things out of love. I want every single person on this planet to thrive. But that can't happen as long as people remain useful idiots by supporting causes based on emotions instead of logic. People smarter than you can easily manipulate you through your emotions. It would be extremely naive to deny this possibility (reality).
Edit for the downvoters: How's that Russian collusion narrative going? You're being manipulated.
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