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There is a stark difference in the anti-vaxxers are directly advocating for dangerous policy changes. I don't see anything of the sort here.


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Very poor comparison that misrepresents their motives.

None of these people opposes vaccines. They either don't accept THIS vaccine, esp. how politicized it has become, and they don't accept being force do take it.


Anti-vaxxers? Really? Way to engage an argument by generalizing and politicizing with a completely irrelevant comparison.

You focused on the wrong part of the sentence. The key difference is whether someone is against vaccines in general, or against the COVID vaccines in particular.

antivax is the only area where they seem similar and only superficially, I can't think of a single other instance. using one stance to pretend that two diametrically opposed sides are the same thing seems particularly ignorant to me.

no there is no difference. Both don’t understand science and basic statistics. Go look up on which energy source is statistically safer (we have decades of operations and accidents now) Regarding vaccines there were actually some “oh shit” moments which turned out to be OK, but anti-vaxers lack of science knowledge make them ignorant of those (google sv40 virus and polio vaccine)

There are plenty of people who oppose vaccine mandates but not vaccines.

The difference is it's possible to believe that people spreading antivax misinformation are dangerous morons for objective reasons rather than just because it's a popular position.

There are some striking anti-vaxxer parallels here.

Anti-vaxxers don't have an agenda, they have fear and anger. People selling products or trying to get votes have the agenda.

It doesn’t help that they intentionally conflate the two issues by defining “anti-vaxxer” as anyone who “opposes regulations mandating vaccination”.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer


You read it wrong. It's the nuclear SUPPORTERS that are compared to anti-vaxxers, not opponents.

(Disclaimer: I am not an anti-vaxxer.)

It seems that their arguments are changing [1].

The gist, as I understand it, of their changed argument: The media has overblown the recent measles outbreak, there are things way worse for our children than measles and we should not be influenced by this media hysteria. Measles is uncommon and treatable so we should not be forced to vaccinate our children.

[1] https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2019/02/readers-respond-m...

[EDIT] Changed "evolved" to "changed".


No, that isn't what I am saying at all.

People here are talking to me as if I am an antivaxxer when I have said I am not. Pro vaxxers are just as blind, unthinking and extremist as anti vaxxers.

Both sides disregard valid points on the other side. This is the crux of the problem.

Einstein said that you cannot solve a problem from the same level of thinking that created it. The world is not going to solve this conflict as long as it frames it in extremist either/or terms. The efforts to ramp up the pressure on anti vaxxers to conform merely deepens the conflict. It does not help the matter.


> "Antivax" is just a derogatory name to people who are demanding safer vaccines.

Safer than what? How are current vaccines not safe?

> I don't think literally anyone from the so-called anti-vax crowd are opposed to the general idea of vaccines.

A 2016 article entitled "Exploring the Reasons Behind Parental Refusal of Vaccines":

* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4869767/

Have we forgotten the 'vaccine autism' drama? From 2017, "Vaccination as a cause of autism—myths and controversies":

* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5789217/


Anti-vaxxers don't think they don't work; they believe (without evidence) that they are more harmful than helpful.

There is such a thing as anti-mandate pro-vaccine activists and their voice is being squashed as well. There is no nuance to the conversation.

The claim was that people were motivated to argue by the ease of the target rather than by the genuine threat of harm. In the case of anti-vax, I don't agree. I think people see a threat to their kids and react accordingly.

They are calling anyone who is against vaccine mandates an “anti-vaxxer” now.

It’s like calling someone who is against forced labor an “anti-work” person.


What do you mean? The protest the article is referring to is unrelated to vaccines
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