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Why not both? It seems to both be more profitable for the developer and better for the environment.


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No. Because it would be better for the environment.

My personal reason is the much higher environmental cost of that option.

Why? It brings tax revenue, and doesn’t harm the environment.

Can you say more about why? I assume it's a cost or environmental thing or both.

Yeah, but depending on the details and design of the sacrificed area, it might be less environmental impact overall.

Have you considered the environmental cost? If so, what was your result? How much more/less damaging to the environment do you believe this will be?

Sorry if I'm coming off a little harsh, but this is a pretty low-effort comment that doesn't actually add anything to the conversation.


Why not still do this to save costs? Also, the aforementioned environmental effect.

Reprocessing is more destructive to the environment. It looks clean to have stuff take place in large buildings but the externalities are significant.

Yeah I was purely viewing this from an environmental perspective, not an economical one. But you're right. This is of course the reason it's done that way.

I was thinking the same thing. From an environmental point of view, less damage. From an economic point of view, more capital and wealth per person. The only downside is people will need to live longer.

What's the environmental impact of this? Won't this use up way more land and be in general much less efficient?

Ok, what about environmental considerations? This seems very inefficient.

Agree, I am not convinced it is a net benefit for the overall environment. Plus they will consume more energy because of inefficiencies in transport and storage.

But there is still an immense environmental benefit: they will pollute in places (industrial areas, mines) that are not places where people live (big cities). So the population will benefit a lot from moving where the pollution takes place. And it's not just air. Noise pollution, dirty buildings, etc.


OP is saying that there is pollution for both options, and the total cost of that pollution is proportional to the total cost of ownership of the product.

He doesn't provide evidence, but it seems at least plausible.


The other one would have a bigger environmental impact;)

Improvement isn't always worse for the the environment. Is converting a forest to a parking lot a net negative from an environmental point of view? Yes. Is converting a parking lot to a 5 story residential building a net negative? No, because the parking lot wasn't environmentally friendly to begin with, the residential building doesn't damage the environment any more than the parking lot, and provides much more value to the public than the parking lot for the same environmental cost.

> Also IMHO there is far too much investment in construction, when buildings are already sitting idle.

Unfortunately all the idle buildings are in the wrong places. LVT, plus tax credits for reclaimed materials would at least move them to where they can do the most good.


That strongly depends on where the saved developer resources (which I think are frequently overstated, but that’s another topic) are allocated. If they’re put towards squeezing more ad dollars for example, that’s still a net loss environmentally.

> for economic or environmental reasons.

They are more environmentally friendly, but still bad for the environment.
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