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wnevets · 2019-10-08 20:16:50+00:00

>without it being patently clear that this was never about human rights?

Have you been paying attention the last 3 or so years?

justin66 | karma 13227 | avg karma 2.6 · | 2021-03-02 15:47:00

> Human rights are not political.

Amnesty International and the oppressive governments of Burma, Saudi Arabia, etc. would both find such a sentiment laughably naive.

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binarray2000 | karma 1183 | avg karma 3.66 · | 2018-06-27 11:19:05

We weren't talking about "human rights issues" either, yet OP started talking about it.

And when the OP moved the discussion in the other direction, one must also look at the track record of the USA in that particular area.

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wybiral | karma 3991 | avg karma 4.39 · | 2019-01-05 15:57:03+00:00

> My country (US) doesn't have a great human rights track record either, but at least we're allowed to talk about it.

Exactly. No country has a perfect history but by confronting past mistakes you have a chance to learn from them and hopefully support laws or norms that prevent them from happening again.

Perhaps this only applies in countries that practice democracy, where the people's awareness has a chance of translating into representation. Otherwise it's only likely to create discontent with the inability to change things (and thus unrest).

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xupybd | karma 9371 | avg karma 2.65 · | 2017-06-10 06:39:06

We have responded to the article based on the information presented.

There is nothing to imply human rights have been violated. If such information is presented im sure people will respond in kind.

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killjoywashere | karma 8336 | avg karma 3.49 · | 2017-11-05 20:19:36

> Human rights abuses have NEVER been a red line

Yes they have been and are. See the Magnitsky Act (2012) and Jackson–Vanik amendment (1974) specifically.

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rgbrenner | karma 16696 | avg karma 7.29 · | 2021-02-01 12:27:09+00:00

Are you sure the West has always been defending human rights in its interventions in other countries?

Thats not what I said. Re-read it? I don't know how you got that from what I wrote.

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pen15_ | karma 2 | avg karma 2.0 · | 2021-01-17 02:24:36+00:00

You didn't address the part about the questionable human rights records

GordonS | karma 20012 | avg karma 3.02 · | 2019-09-28 18:27:45

> Without being a lawyer, I'm pretty sure random drone strike on civilian in Pakistan, torture in Guantanamo or intercepting entire world communication is an example of "respect of humans rights"

This is a good point, I think. The US has an appalling record on human rights (aside from your examples, arming terrorists and overthrowing democratically elected governments spring to mind) - as long as we're talking about the rights of non-Americans.

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GovCoderThrow | karma 1 | avg karma 1.0 · | 2021-02-23 02:09:56+00:00

Given that your post didn't mention the human rights being violated here once, I think it's you that needs to find the correct perspective.

drzaiusapelord | karma 8124 | avg karma 2.33 · | 2014-12-18 18:00:45+00:00

>Regarding human rights, as others have mentioned, we don't embargo countries that have far worse records.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

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adev_ | karma 1564 | avg karma 3.51 · | 2019-09-28 18:09:03

> Disagree on hypocrisy. US still affords significant freedoms and largely respects human rights.

If you are US citizen maybe, for the rest of the world. Definitively not.

Without being a lawyer, I'm pretty sure random drone strike on civilians in Pakistan, torture in Guantanamo or intercepting entire world communication is not an example of "respect of humans rights".

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AzzieElbab | karma 1950 | avg karma 1.32 · | 2019-01-05 16:47:51+00:00

"My country (US) doesn't have a great human rights track record either, but at least we're allowed to talk about it." You cannot possibly be serious when taken scale and timeframes into account

white_devil | karma 603 | avg karma 1.45 · | 2013-02-19 11:09:03

> "The U.N. Human Rights Council is widely expected to order an inquiry next month into its leaders' responsibilities for crimes against humanity."

- Take your time! It's not like the "crimes against humanity" have been going on for decades or anything.

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ekianjo | karma 34827 | avg karma 2.44 · | 2017-11-28 03:32:32+00:00

> our regard for human rights

I'm fine with the general idea of "being proud" if that's what you are into, but don't include human rights in that list when you have more than 2 millions of people in jail as we speak.

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SubiculumCode | karma 5366 | avg karma 1.45 · | 2018-06-27 13:33:26

Sorry for that unintended interpretation. I don't think that this administration gives a shit about human rights.

hcfman | karma 461 | avg karma 1.1 · | 2024-02-22 18:06:21

Human rights? Not true. (Oops did I say that out loud?).

anon12345690 | karma 427 | avg karma 2.06 · | 2016-10-16 02:29:45

You also don't know what human rights are.

cies | karma 7348 | avg karma 2.3 · | 2024-06-13 11:34:06

> it [the US] doesn't believe in the concept of human rights.

Unless when China, Russia, Iran or DPRK violates humans right according to their Secretary of State; in that case they cry an additional Mississippi river over human rights violations.

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overkalix | karma 689 | avg karma 4.82 · | 2019-11-21 23:19:53+00:00

> Sacrificing these benefits to bring attention to human rights might actually be harmful

So we have to tolerate human rights violations so that in the future _maybe_ there are no more human rights violations?

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