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I'm not sure; that's part of the reason I was asking. I do think, however, that a 12 year timeline seems too long for any project. Usually people can't work effectively toward goals that far in the future. But maybe this contract is more of an extended support contract?


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That's interesting. 12 months is still very early though, unless it's a project with a lot of throughput.

This will take a lot longer than 12 months. More like 5 years, minimum, to be any good.

That still gives them between 6 months and 18 months (whenever the contract expires in 2019) to continue working on this project. They may even finish it during that timeframe. This is purely PR fluff.

12 months is fairly close to an eternity in software, though; that's a pretty big catch

If the project actually does last that long, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to just extended the version by 2 digits to include the full year.

I mean, I know you're suggesting the claim has no merit because the poster doesn't know what they're talking about; but you know, even if the poster were a genius with intimate knowledge of the project, a claim like this is bogus.

If somebody with a modicum of common sense and software experience says some software of this kind of complexity that they're working on "can" be good enough in 5 years that basically means: it's a herculean task, and they have no clue whatsoever as to how long it's actually going to take. Also, they probably don't really know what they're really trying to do, only general aims, not actually how they're achievable.

There's no way in hell anybody can plan something that novel and hugely complex, with that many people involved in an ecosystem that's constantly changing not to mention a business that's not known for its long term perseverance, with any kind of accuracy for 1 year. 5 years is a complete joke.

Who knows - it might happen. It might in just 1 year. Or maybe 50. Or more likely, never. But I cannot believe that estimate to have any kind of sane grounding.

The only way they're actually going to follow through on a schedule that long term is by giving up on scope and quality, which is to say - sure, something will be delivered, but perhaps nothing resembling today's expectations.


I'd counter that it's important to specify the time-frame you're talking about. For instance, would you say that they'll try to continue as a big Java user for the next 15 years?

When you stretch out the time-frame, your assertion sounds substantially less credible. At least to me.


Yeah thats 3 years for now... thats very little time - especially if you have to migrate old projects.

5 years is really short time. I wouldn't be surprised if deployment of completely finished product would take five years.

This is not even that surprising. 12 yrs is nothing compared to the inhuman amount of time it would take to port it, and considering how much work into it in the first place(?).

No, it's not. Their position is (at least from their last status update): "we are trying to come up with a long term support methodology, and didn't find one yet". It takes them more than a year to design it. It doesn't sound reasonable to me.

Well, isn't that ten year support timeline due for expiration in the next year or so? I'm going from memory here so please correct me if not.

Thanks, for the link.

But you are talking of another 2+ years. That's a lot of time in software.


I don't think a year is long enough though - especially for something that's unique and foundational. A complex product built using BigTable, for example, may need more than a year to migrate to something else.

For a young project 2 years support cycle makes sense given rapid changes are probably still coming. Let it mature another several years..

you need to recognize that this is work being done by collectives of people scattered across the globe.

the coordination of this effort is more akin to countries negotiating a treaty than operations inside of a silicon valley garage startup.

also, 10 years is really not a very long time.


15 years...axiom-developer.org

Of course the project has a "30 year horizon" so ....


Committing to 7 years is a big step! Apple does't commit to its support timeline at all and seems to average around 6 years, so this is more firm and also longer.

I would like to see Apple respond by committing to their timeframe but they won't.


11 months huh? That's barely anything for larger enterprise customers, about long enough to make it onto a project plan. Most enterprise software companies will provide support for 5-8 years.
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