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It feels like a lot of astro-turfing going on here. Why would any sane person be against unions?


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Anyone sane should oppose _some_ unions. They don’t all make sense/provide positive value. Looking at you, public sector unions.

It’s really not. People tend to only form unions when they feel that they’re being unjustly treated and this is one of their last resorts.

Generally the people who are advocating for a union are doing it to level the playing field for themselves against you.

Can you elaborate in the anti-union thing? I can't seem to find anyone discussing this.

A lot of workers do not like unions for many reasons (not a valid reason to downvote, but it's probably why.)

Yeah, it’s disheartening how labor unions seem to attract this ideological poison. Can’t a labor union just be about collective negotiation with the employer? -_-

I think their angle is that it’s not in anyone’s favour to unionise.

Seems like a random excuse to Trash talk unions.

This is a lot of anti-union FUD. Unions generally now don't seek to ban or outlaw non-union operations in the same field. Remember there are A LOT of unions and behaviors and platforms of various unions range widely.

Sorry. That's just anti-union FUD. Unions are quite cognizant that they don't exist without an employer, employees, and providing value to each.

I never understand employees who don't want to unionize. It just shows what a sorry state the labor movement is in.

There is room for disagreement but there is certainly a strong anti labor sentiment on this board. There's a strong pro labor group as well, but I have seen people on here state outright that unions are inherently immoral and not just that unions as they have turned on in specific situations are bad.

What a dysrationalist comment. I'm the last person anybody would call pro-union and I think this has all the smell of union busting.

They have a union but it seems to be passively rolling over and allowing this to happen.

Long story short: unions.

Are so many of them anti-union? I don't see much evidence that they're any more against unions than the general population. It's surprising to me that nobody has pointed out this article has far fewer anti-union than pro-union comments.

Your comment (like a few others) reads as though you've discarded the possibility of some in the HN crowd having first-hand experience with unions.

> HN is very consistently anti-union.

I'd say HN is more consistently anti-bullshit. It's important to separate the legitimate problems from the solutions taken to address them, else you fall for the false dichotomy. Being skeptical of unions as a solution to address workplace conditions is not irrational.


A lot of the pro-union push is coming from largely the same set of people that are big activists on social issues/politics, and the union push feels in part like a power grab to gain leverage on those issues. I simply don't agree with the activists on some of the issues they are activists about. On the issues I do agree, I still don't feel that union pressure is the right way to go about it.

This is exactly it. After scrolling through so many of the comments it's crazy to see the actual reason for unionising so far down the list.
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