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I'd like to see the correlations after things such as how many close family members and friends one has are taken in to account.

I suspect that the larger and more cohesive one's support network is, the less likely you are to commit suicide, and that the more socially isolated one is, the poorer one is, and the sicker one is, the more likely one is to feel hopeless and see suicide as the only way out.

Other important factors are things like how many recent traumatic events (such as relationship breakups, serious illness, bereavement, rape, witnessing or being a victim of violence, etc) one has suffered, recent alcohol and drug use/abuse, and then very hard to quantify things like how good one is at coping with such events.

You can't really boil all this down to any one factor, and there's no one solution to any of these issues. But, yes, reducing misery (whether economic or social) should help.



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Are you assuming that all those suicides are linked to loneliness? What about people with money issues, incurable diseases, mental conditions, etc?

Not too surprising. Suicide is a death of despair, which are closely linked to job loss, income loss, love loss, family loss, pain, etc. Easing any of those scenarios should help reduce suicide.

Depends what do you mean by "support networks". Like social? Or just purely economy based. Cause if social then I'd say it's the exact oppopsite, one of the main reason men has 3-4x higher suicide rate than women in the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide


Lack of traditional support structures: Family, religion, friendships, etc. are the issue.

A tough economy deals a blow to support structures, but it's not sufficient: Poorer countries don't have as high a suicide rate.


Or maybe people who feel suicidal are more likely to commit suicide if surrounded by happy people?

You are using one statistic to question a massive (2.5 million people), multiple year study by two well-respected firms. Perhaps it's complicated?


Better social services? Suicide, mental health and poverty all go together I think. If you want to improve suicide rates I would probably start there, though I'm no expert so I could be wrong.

You assert that because one key aspect of human need is improved that others arent harmed in equal measure at the same time.

Who knows which is a larger factor in suicide. Social Pressure from being bullied by your only community is probably a stronger force than loneliness.


It's lower even accounting for suicide already.

There are lots of other issues, like losing supporting parents and family, lack of a support network of friends, lack of job opportunities and bad work careers, issues with pursuing healthcare and maintaining health and lack of access to healthcare, and so on.


That seems like it's likely mostly just conflated with one of the well known causes of suicide, financial instability and generally being poor. The better data would be studies that try to compare similar socioeconomic classes, age ranges, etc.

I wish it took only a second to find out what is true, but data is complicated and has lots of confounding variables, and it's too easy to not account for them and get totally untrue information out of the data.


It sounds like "it's complicated" is a better way of thinking about suicide prevention. It's pretty hard to measure a localized "it's no longer happening," when measures for suicide prevention are put in place.

Things effective one place, are less effective in others because of "sociocultural" reasons [0], but there is some evidence to suggest denying people access to the tools to commit suicide, and reducing media coverage (social contagion/clustering) seem to help.

With that said, yes, you are right, just changing one thing doesn't do much, there needs to be a bigger picture approach that addresses many factors.

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1414695/


I'd be interested to see a study for a link between the suicide rate and the degree of surveillance in one's life, separated from the influence of the social networks that already has been studied.

It seems to be quite obvious that the lack of personal space would cause or exacerbate the mental issues. However, the modern society tends to ignore the problems that cannot be easily tracked or assigned a metric.


Relative poverty is what is at issue, and it's associated with suicide:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1556-4029.12998/a...

Economic turmoil in general is linked to suicide:

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-27796628


Suicide isn't a single factor event. However, it's our tendency to try to isolate just one factor and then pin a suicide to that.

If we get good at identifying & gauging common forces that drive people to suicide, I suspect we'll find huge swaths of populations that live their lives 80% of the way there.


We don't know, because suicide is the only category on the chart that reflects a psychological factor. If we tracked (more correctly, if we could track) people dying of loneliness but who don't commit suicide, perhaps we'd find the number to be hugely higher. When I look at the sadness of the elderly in large cities, my sense is that number would be a lot higher. But we just don't know.

Social connections are the biggest anti-dote to depression and suicide. I suspect Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics have stronger social bonds.

Less disturbing than the raw percentage is the context in which some of these suicides have reportedly been carried out. People who are simply lonely, who have addictions, who don't have money, who feel they simply don't have options. In sum, not the kind of people who have a truly terminal illness and will pass away in a few weeks or months, but people who could potentially live well and flourish if resources existed to support them.

IMO, a society that reaches for suicide as a solution is going to be a society that consistently fails its most vulnerable.


How strongly does being rich tend to correlate with a reduced suicide rate?

It's a correlation with poverty and gangs. If you take out gang on gang and suicide, assumung neither is relevant to you, it's true that the numbers become much better.

I have no idea of the data, but is suicide evenly distributed on society?

I mean, it’s mostly a topic, but I expect more suicide from unemployed, disabled or old people, not employed adults.

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