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Not sure why you're being downvoted; I only know of Intel, TSMC, and Samsung attempting to hit 5nm.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/5_nm_lithography_process



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None of those are offering 5nm right now. There are only 7nm foundries out there, the article says they are perfecting their 5nm processes for commercialization, what means there are some months (maybe years) yet until we see them.

Also, Moore's Law is dead by years now. Not only process improvement became subexponential and much slower paced, but transistor density isn't growing much and the core of the Law that is cost/transistor has increased with the last 2 or 3 iterations, instead of going down.


This is not true. The most advanced 5nm wafer process is at Taiwan Semi.

The 5nm process is a large factor as well.

5nm process would help a lot.

Intel is still ahead of them, right? Last I’ve heard they are moving pretty aggressively on their “7nm”, which is supposed to be at least as good as TSMC’s “5nm”.

Compare min metal pitch for Intel’s “10nm” (36nm) and TSMC’s “7nm” (40nm) [1]

[1] https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/10_nm_lithography_process


By 2025 they might figure out newer processes than 14nm, but even Intel and Global Foundries has hit a wall at 14nm. Samsung, TSMC and IBM are the only companies with productive sub-14nm fabs.

TI is aiming for 5nm?

Among these only Samsung and TSMC have 7/5nm in production. GF and UMC aren't even pursuing it. SMIC is far behind.

That is just the fabrication aspect, 5nm is not going to be an advantage for long.

I bet Intel would use them for their 5nm process if they knew how.

Is this conjecture or has AMD stated in a roadmap they plan to have 5nm in 2 years?

An ex manager from DARPA, which was responsible for similar stuff there said he believes that 5nm is the physical limit of scaling. but making them will be more complex, hence expensive, and he think the economics could stop working before.

Also if we're talking about the economics, there really are 2 foundries(TSMC and Globalfounries/Samsung alliance) make top-end chip for others(Intel doesn't count, chip designers don't/won't trust them). Do with almost no competition - do you expect prices to go down ?

So maybe we will see further performance improvements, But no cost reductions.


I don't know why you're being downvoted. A 5nm version of the AMD stuff should be reasonably close to the M1.

The main bottleneck is the production capacity, we badly need more manufacturers of high end chipsets.


Not just that. At 5nm there will also be yield problems. I.e they will put the best yield into high end and the worst yield into low end.

Meanwhile AMD & TSMC are talking about 5nm for their Zen 4 architecture.

Intel has a 1.4nm process in the pipeline for ~2027. They just took delivery on their first high NA EUV machine in order to start working on it.

Their gamble however is that they need to figure out DSA, a long storied technology that uses self-forming polymers to allow less light to sharply etch smaller features.

If they figure out DSA, they will likely be ahead of TSMC. If not, it will just be more very expensive languishing.


Also how does this tiny company get access to 5nm manufacturing capability?

Samsung does 5nm

This is false, most of the TSMC and other fabs under construction right now will not be 5nm or lower nodes. They are legacy nodes
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