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Some humans drive blackout drunk. You overestimate our competence.


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The worst human driver is blackout drunk. I’m not sure that’s such a high bar to clear.

I dunno. I've seen perfectly sober, intelligent humans drive into some extremely stupid "situations".

U give far to much credit to human drivers. Capable human drivers as a subset of human drivers. A large subset to be sure,but nowhere near everyone. At least an av cant get drunk.

Why? Allow enough humans to drive and inevitably some of them will start doing so drunk. It's in our collective nature.

What makes you think drunk people will have the clarity of mind to configure and engage their autonomous system?

These cars will still have steering wheels... drunk people already don't have the clarity of mind to recognize they're too drunk to drive safely...


Sober, rested, humans are great drivers.

The problem is that we also a bit too good at creating outlier situations (stoned, drunk, exhausted, angry at X Y or Z).


> They are thinking the same thing as people who drive drunk.

They're worse. People who drive drunk don't necessarily make a fully conscious decision to do that. Their judgement is already impaired.

But if they think that sleeping with autopilot on is reasonable, that's 100% on them. It's something they decided ahead of time.


If you had a system that drove roughly as well as I do at my 90% best and cut out the worst 10% of my driving, and let me not have to deal with the road that'd be fine for me.

And I probably should have said "sober, undistracted and competent human" since some people just shouldn't drive, and some people shouldn't be driving under certain conditions (which may not be tired or drunk, but going through a rough break up with late night emotional blowups).


> the same kinds of mistakes humans make

We're hosed until we can instruct our vehicles to act drunk.


Too bad you are judgment impaired cause you are drunk. Always remember, you have to assume people in these self driving cars are drunk / high.

Nah, it's failure mode is to slow down and pull over. It would be amazing if drunk humans did the same.

People think they drive better when slightly drunk because they have impaired senses and do not notice potentially hazardous conditions that they luckily avoid.

Wow. You are giving waaaayyy to much credit to the responsiveness of humans. Roughly 1 in 4 drivers have a statistically significant amount of alcohol in their blood system. Lets also not forget distractions like cell phones, finding/selecting music, passengers, OTC and prescription drugs, et al.

From my perspective, I'm the only good driver on the road and everyone else needs to go back to driving school or have their license revoked. :)


> And hasn’t pretty much almost anyone driven drunk at least once?

No...


You're still in charge ofthe vehicle even if you're not driving it.

Plenty of drunk people have a nap, wake up a few hours later and think they're not drunk and drive, even though they still are drunk.


So, driving while drunk is pretty dumb, but I wanna bring up the other elephant in your post that nobody ever seems to mention:

Drowsy driving.

Staying awake for 18 hours is the equivalent of a BAC of 0.05, roughly 2 drinks. That's waking up at 8 AM for work and driving home at a party at 2 AM, something that most of us have probably done. Staying awake for 24 hours is the equivalent of a BAC of 0.10, almost 5 drinks.

Perhaps because my friends all know that you shouldn't drive drunk, many more of them have crashed their cars due to falling asleep at the wheel than due to intoxication. It's just as dangerous, yet gets far less publicity.


Driving drunk is also how a fair number of people drive, especially in remote areas when home is far from the bar.

I'm not sure that modeling human behavior is the right way to design a self driving car.


Human drivers are pretty much never held accountable for their actions unless they are drunk.

Yes tired, drunk or raging people do stupid shit.

But the goal is not exactly to have autonomous driving at their level ...

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