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> Don’t use natural language

So... its worse. People want to use natural language.



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>> it is that natural language is too imprecise.

If only there was a trade, a group of educated professionals with specific training in the use of language to describe a desired outcome. We could call them "language engineers" and regulated them via state associations meant to protect the public from charlatans.


> I really wish that human language was strongly typed. You shouldn't be allowed to hijack a word

According to my one true definition of "strongly typed" it already is--how dare you try to hijack those words. /s


> The problem is not the text, it's the wrong abstractions that our text expresses.

Genau! ...with any luck, '->' will prove to be as useful as '|' has been?


> and go full retard with it.

Please don't use language like this.


> Words matter. But they are not the way humans communicate.

People communicate any way they can. On online forums, we have to communicate with words as there is no other way (so far).

> Assuming a well-intended statement is intended to be malicious is a path to complete communication meltdown.

You're right, but this is just as much, and probably more so, the fault of the writer than the reader. Because like you said, so much of our communication is not using words, when we are limited to words, we have to be extra careful about which words we use and how we craft our message because the chance of being misunderstood is much higher.


> Have you considered giving reading comprehension a try?

Don't do this.


> and arguing that it's a good thing to do

Seriously, how many times I need to write it's a bad thing to do so that somebody won't comment "so, you're saying it's a good thing to do, right?" It's like there's some weird font some people have installed which turns meaning of every word to its opposite.


> * You are writing based on the spoken word ... an example*

That is intentionally didascalic for the intentional expression of clarity, and it is enclosed in quotes, which do denote a switch. It intentionally describes a process in blocks.

> your posts, which will set off

My dear friend, do you realize that when something is labelled through «common characteristic[s]», that would be the shallow labelling that a machine does? And it is not even Bayesian, because important amounts of texts are written in a way similar to that in which I write - machine learning itself mocks human learning after all. Maybe it would be important in this time and age for information accessors to realize that either they put themselves seriously into understanding expressions, or if they have to break a guinness world record of processed text per time unit (cpr.: "Spedread War and Peace, 'ts about Napoleon in the east"), it's more serious to renounce to actual judgement - after all, there are machines for preprocessing (and really they cannot but guess on normalspeak because they are stupid)?

You should see even more the absurdity.

Again - the point is very important: rushed prejudice-like labelling ("Cialis - spam") is not appropriate, it's machine-level, and a sign of decadence.


> you will grasp where you went wrong.

Beginning a back and forth over how to use a dictionary with someone who defines how to use a dictionary after the fact to help their point?

> Galaxy brain.

This is not Reddit or Twitter, please refrain from such petty, openly disrespectful and, shall we say arduous, slurs.


> Language is a tool to be used effectively.

Which you are failing to do, thus the meta-discussion about your weird capitalization. Were your choices effective, no one would be mentioning it.


> Because ChatGPT is so new, we are in this weird period where people haven't learned that is just as incorrect as the rest of us.

It’s worse than that. It’s wrong, you cannot correct it and it makes up supporting citations on the fly. Very few humans behave like that.


> When I was in high school we couldn't use the verb "to be" in assignments for English class. No is, am, are, was, were, has been, will be, etc.

> Of course this is overly restrictive, but 80-90% of the time there was a better way to phrase the sentence if you thought about removing the "be" verb. 10% of the time it was awkward, which sucked.

I do the same thing, habitually, as a tool to improve my writing, inspired by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime .


> It can't avoid that because it doesn't know what the words _mean_.

That’s true of a fair number of humans, too.


> The entire concept of an elocution class is wildly offensive to most of the modern linguists I know

Emphasis mine.

Are you a linguist?


> Emails have their Pro's & Con's - I prefer them, but not everyone is able to be precise and on-point in written language. Also, you need to be able to express your feelings in written language.

This is exactly the opposite of what professionals do. They should be able to write well. It is not optional, it is an expectation. Feelings should not be part of a technical discussion.

In a few years, we're gonna get emojis in an RFC. Just wait, you!


> "Why use a fake language? By fake, I mean, you can't use it for anything. ... Just... why?"

Can it not just be something that's done for fun?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38334373


> This is akin to grammar police. In life encounters, there is no real place for grammar policing. However, you should try to be grammatically correct.

That's because most humans have feelings. But most machines don't. So that's not comparable.


> It must be so difficult being so offended by the regular function of language. Context matters in language, and meanings and vocabulary change over time as contexts change.

The sheer irony of someone who's in favor of linguistic prescriptivism typing this out (when master record and master key have no linguistic relationship to master/slave) is astounding.


>> Meme cannot be a verb.

Yeah, stop verbing your nouns, dammit.

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