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I was confused by the headline until I read the article. Here "accessible" means "affordable", and specifically <US$500, and not "usable by people with disabilities".


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I didn't make an unsound point, there was a misunderstanding by you. When talking about financial assets or investment, accessible means affordable, but affordable is a relative term, whereas somethings accessibility is a useful observation - "can working-class people buy one easily?"

"accessible" here meaning "able to be used by people in wheelchairs.

(I guess almost all HN readers are familiar with this term from software "accessibility" design. USA English is my native (and at present, only) language but I find these terms odd.)


Your definition of accessible reminds me of Cave Johnson.

"Bean counters said I couldn't fire a man for being in a wheelchair. Did it anyway. Ramps are expensive."


> When they say accessibility is too expensive that’s what they really mean, and it’s not a good argument.

Disabilities can be conflicting which makes catering to all difficult.

Consider, for example, that someone who is deaf will usually use a flashing light to wake them up. However, if you are someone that's prone to seizures, that flashing light is now something that can trigger a medical emergency.

Now consider how fire alarms typically work, big flashing lights and loud sirens.

With accessibility you kind of can't please everyone. Not saying you shouldn't try, but there needs to be some level of "best effort" applied.


>In much of the world accessibility is a legal requirement

This is very true for the USA, but not so much elsewhere. It's common in Europe for buildings to have no wheelchair access at all.


It's about something which happened to limit this person's mobility and how it give them more empathy for people with impaired mobility and other disabilities. The point is that accessibility is important for each and every one of us.

So, this isn't mainly for disabled people, I take it?

>accessible

>pull-able

To any reasonable average person, these mean the same thing.


I’m in NYC right this second at the US Tennis Open. You can order Uber WAV - Wheelchair Accessibility Vehicle.

If you choose to use much less convenient taxis instead of an Uber because of a refusal to use cellphones that’s on you.

> despite the fact that iPhones are a minority of devices out there and in most places they are luxury devices

iPhones are big a minority in the US - where the college is located.

And Google not having accessibility options as good as the iPhone sounds like someone needs to be suing Google under the ADA.

But do you really think blind people are not buying devices that actually work for them?


That does not sound accessible to people with visual/motor disabilities and possibly illegal depending on your location

Pedantry. They didn't give him an option besides physically bringing it into the store.

Good question about accessibility. I have no idea. But it's not as though our society is a perfect utopia for the disabled. I can only imagine it would have gone far worse.


I can tell you've never tried to use the Underground with a wheelchair, tho if you're questioning what accessible means in that context—because it's really bad. cars are very accessible for those with mobility disabilities & for many others.

> But here we are with at least a mediocre of accessibility and much of it can be traced back to the ADA.

While the accessibility may be mediocre, we do have a modicum of it.


> Disabled people are relatively rare, and so humans have a tendency to forget they exist.

This is how many people think about accessibility, especially starting out (myself included). An alternative framing is to realize that some people have permanent disabilities, some have temporary disabilities, and some have situational disabilities.

For example, about 15 percent of people have dyslexia. They have a more-or-less permanent challenge with reading. In the second category are people with temporary reading challenges. Someone with a concussion, stroke, or other traumatic brain injury often have similar reading challenges, that sometimes (but not always) can get better over time. And in the last category, we have people who have situational challenges, such as "I'm on in the subway and the car is moving in 3 axes and I'm trying to read on my smartphone". This is a situational challenge, but a challenge nonetheless.

If we focus only on the first category of people, the group who might be assisted by a reading-related accessibility feature seem relatively small. But when you realize that there are also temporary and situational challenges that can be ameliorated by the exact same feature, then it becomes clear that the number of people who can be helped is actually much greater than originally appeared.

Ditto for "wheelchair ramps" that are used by people with strollers or crutches for broken legs.


I like the saying "most people are temporarily able-bodied". You will likely need accessibility at some point in your life - and almost surely nearing the end of it.

So clearly affordances to assist the disabled are going to benefit everyone ... eventually.


> I’m sorry you live in one of the worst countries in the world to be disabled in.

At least in the USA, the ADA ensures that many places are built to be wheelchair-accessible; bathrooms in public places have accommodations, grocery stores have ramps, stairs always have an alternative, etc

I'm pretty sure in most countries in the world, mobility would be far lower for the disabled.


> I can't readily access it, so nobody should have it

Where do you draw the line though? If accessibility is not a requirement of doing business, disabled people can't access a large proportion of places, either out of indifference (it's cheaper) or just not considering it.

Furthermore, the ADA (at 42 U.S.C. § 12182(b)(2)(A)(iv) - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/12182) defines discrimination to include:

> a failure to remove architectural barriers, and communication barriers that are structural in nature, in existing facilities[...], where such removal is readily achievable

with readily achievable meaning:

> easily accomplishable and able to be carried out without much difficulty or expense. In determining whether an action is readily achievable, factors to be considered include—

> (A) the nature and cost of the action needed under this chapter;

> (B) the overall financial resources of the facility or facilities involved in the action; the number of persons employed at such facility; the effect on expenses and resources, or the impact otherwise of such action upon the operation of the facility;

> (C) the overall financial resources of the covered entity; the overall size of the business of a covered entity with respect to the number of its employees; the number, type, and location of its facilities

In addition, for the complaint under 42 U.S.C. § 12183(a)(2) ("facilities altered [...] must be made readily accessible"), there is a requirement that "such alterations [...] are not disproportionate to the overall alterations in terms of cost and scope" (I'm unclear on the claim that "the Facility was designed and constructed (or both) after January 26, 1993" as this appears to contradict the article's claim that "her nearly 100 year-old building needed some upgrades").

There does not appear to be any intent to place any undue burden on a business.


Kind of the extremely radical opposite to the reasoning behind accessibility, then? Ever have someone in a wheelchair get mad at you?

> is not trying to rob them of an assistive tool.

The first anecdote in a post is about the author deciding not to build something that could be a useful accessibility tool, specifically because she sees it as a net negative - which might not be how she would think about it if she'd included people with disabilities in her analysis.

Of course, this is not the end of the world; but there are cases where this kind of thinking could be much worse. "We won't put in an elevator - people should be okay with the discomfort of climbing the stairs." In fact, people did that so much that we had to pass the ACA to stop it!

I am reminded of https://imgur.com/a4p4KLa.

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