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The morbidity rate is around 5%. In locations where they can keep the ICU beds from being overwhelmed, the mortality rate is low. In locations where the ICU beds are overwhelmed, the mortality rate goes up considerably. It all comes down to how well the system can respond to the load of people needing substantial medical care.


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The main problem is the number of people with very bad symptoms (for example that need ICU). If there are enough ICU, then the mortality rate is like 0.1%. If there are not enough, the mortality is like 5%. (The numbers are difficult to measure, so they are only estimations.)

Now they have added the ICU overflow, that is very important for the mortality rate.


When you can have an ICU bed your chances are much better. There's a very steep inflection point when the hospitals reach capacity. Right now we're highly provisioned so it makes sense that the numbers show as less deadly.

The main take away is the infection rate is not linearly correlated to the death rate.


When we run out of ICU capacity the fatality rate goes up a lot.

Except when every ICU bed is taken and there are no ventilators available, the mortality rate is probably in the 3-5% rate.

On the other hand, that depends on ICUs being able to manage capacity. As the infection rate goes up, the death rate can go up as less of those improved treatments are available. Also, as infection rate goes up, you get side-effect problems where non-urgent but necessary treatments (like cancer surgeries) are deferred.

We have enough data from closed experiments (Diamond Princess) to say that COVID sends 5% or more to the ICU. That’s the number that matters right now, not CFR. Fatality rate itself is much more dependent on whether the ICU beds are full (Italy, Iran) than anything else. Unfortunately, beds are about to be full in several US cities.

The rates of those requiring ICU seem a lot higher for one.

The death rate is low because we have managed to keep it somewhat under control. If the ICUs fill up, the death rate for all age groups will greatly increase.

Deaths are partly unavoidable, but they're also partly avoidable because if hospitals have ICU /ventilator and bed capacity the death rate goes down. Once they're overrun then the death rate spikes.

Because that is the fatality rate range (0.9-5%) when everyone gets a ventilator/ICU bed when needed.

How many beds are usually available? If there is, for example, only typically 40% of ICU beds available then being at 36% isn't that bad.

ICU death rate percentage still would be relevant in terms of ICU effectiveness?

Likely an ICU patient in Sweden is in really bad condition seeing we have something like 90 ICU spots on 2,4 million people in Stockholm.


1) 37% of ICU beds for Covid means about a 50% increase in ICU patients.

2) If you go into the ICU for Covid you're probably leaving via the morgue. The survival chance for a Covid patient in the ICU is a lot lower than the typical ICU patient.


That % assumes a perfectly functional healthcare system. If it gets clogged, the ICU % is a much better proxy for how many people would die.

Do you have stats for the frequency of hospitalizations in the 20-50 years old range?


This is spot on. As long as ICU capacity is not overwhelmed this can be dealt with.

Three years ago, 0% of ICU beds were used for COVID patients. Now it is 37%. If ICU admission correlates with risk of death, and those beds would have been empty otherwise, or used for lower risk patients, a 40% increase in deaths seems reasonable. Certainly not a rigorous analysis, but it passes the smell test.

ICU survival rate is highly dependent on the cause, diagnosis, and/or disease that the patient is admitted for. It can range from 70-10%.

The problem is that the number of people who need intensive care is quite high (10-20%) if good health care can be provided to them the mortality stays low, however, if the hospitals are overrun a lot of people would not get it and could potentially die (yes even younger people). And trust me no health care can survive a 300% spike in people needing ICU. So it is not that harmless.

ICUs typically run around 85% occupancy and up. At 68% it is difficult to pay the bills.
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