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baq · 2020-04-20 21:01:19+00:00

meanwhile exceptions just sob in a corner, forgotten.

the main benefit is actually sane exceptions. unicode is nice and all (i'm a native speaker of a non-english language) but it's a storm in a teacup IME.

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NelsonMinar | karma 16075 | avg karma 7.63 · | 2019-06-28 17:03:19

Language support for exceptions are the better way.

choward | karma 3087 | avg karma 2.66 · | 2020-09-12 15:02:03

Exceptions aren't typed though so you either have to decode it in some way or treat every exception the same.

nnnnico | karma 55 | avg karma 2.2 · | 2024-03-11 11:43:46

Sure but only in langs wich require exception handling! Otherwise it's just hidden behaviour and explicit optional returns are better imo

Daishiman | karma 7437 | avg karma 2.91 · | 2016-07-13 23:47:05

It's easier to use exceptions and not care about the origin of an error when the details are irrelevant.

um304 | karma 102 | avg karma 0.94 · | 2013-09-01 17:51:05+00:00

Exactly my point. In my experience, exceptions have helped me significantly reduce my code, increase readability and quicken bug tracking.

deletes | karma 2329 | avg karma 3.39 · | 2013-09-01 15:53:07+00:00

Isn't that what exceptions are used for in any language?

dscrd | karma 608 | avg karma 1.7 · | 2012-05-24 13:02:33+00:00

Exceptions are a bad idea. Even in the more saner languages such as python, they tend to obfuscate needlessly.

mustardo | karma 258 | avg karma 1.94 · | 2017-07-06 10:05:58+00:00

Consider using a language that has exceptions instead of 1980's error codes

yyhhsj0521 | karma 161 | avg karma 1.24 · | 2020-02-03 16:46:02+00:00

The thing is that exception is as close as we get to pattern matching in many languages. When a language has even the most basic Either/Maybe/Option, you start to see fewer exceptions being thrown around.

kaoD | karma 3508 | avg karma 2.35 · | 2019-04-04 20:55:33+00:00

I see your point and I will consider it. Thanks for the discussion.

What's a language that does exceptions just right for you?

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EdwardDiego | karma 9640 | avg karma 2.44 · | 2021-11-15 21:30:09

Huh - now I can see why exceptions are looked at somewhat askance in low level coding circles.

alexchamberlain | karma 3749 | avg karma 2.12 · | 2015-04-14 06:37:23+00:00

GOTO: Agreed, it can be a very effective way of error handling in exception free languages.

RussianCow | karma 3883 | avg karma 2.65 · | 2014-04-09 21:22:13+00:00

That's the whole point--to force you to actually handle errors properly. You could say the same thing about any language with exceptions that you don't catch.

throwaway894345 | karma 15075 | avg karma 2.31 · | 2022-04-28 09:53:48

The latter is a much stronger argument than the former (no idea why people get so worked up about character counts), but even then, "shit" is really strong considering how often one experiences exception traces when using an application written in Python or Java or some other exception-based language. Point being, we should probably evaluate error handling schemes based on results rather than ideology (even though I tend to agree with some of that ideology).

jbb555 | karma 826 | avg karma 3.0 · | 2014-08-21 08:31:14+00:00

Or exceptions in many languages for error conditions that you don't want to accidentally ignore.

comatose_kid | karma 5068 | avg karma 4.85 · | 2008-05-13 19:56:48+00:00

Interesting. So I wonder if exceptions are the programming language analogue of swearing?

tedunangst | karma 26000 | avg karma 2.74 · | 2016-07-13 23:12:57+00:00

It's easier to use exceptions and pretend nothing ever goes wrong.

nprateem | karma 2352 | avg karma 1.59 · | 2019-04-06 10:49:17+00:00

> Nope. Exceptions aren't capable enough

They've been perfectly fine for the majority of popular languages and are a vast improvement over manually mimicking them the way most people do with Go.

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vips7L | karma 2543 | avg karma 1.69 · | 2024-04-19 17:56:35

I don't see the difference. Exceptions are error handling and with this change the language will be better equipped to handle them.