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That's why CodeWeavers, which partners with Valve, when hiring developers for Proton/WINE states as a requirement:

> No exposure to Microsoft code or reverse-engineering of Microsoft software

Ref https://www.codeweavers.com/about/jobs



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I'm curious about 'No exposure to Microsoft code or reverse-engineering of Microsoft software'. Are you able to elaborate here? -Thanks!

Surely, Microsoft needs one or two people to write the code for Windows, and can't rely on Microsoft Research for that.

Actually the opposite. They can't work in the project of they've seen the actual MS code even if they write their own code.

I'd imagine there are a significant number of developers using VS Code and no other Microsoft products.

The normal person working with a computer is not a developer. Most of the jobs would be heavily influenced by the microsoft suite.

Microsoft in denmark is very popular, thanks to their amazing marketing team targeting corporates. Therefore this research just shows that closed source microsoft products do not work 20% of time.


Not an advocate of Microsoft, tho I'm using GitHub and VSCode.

As for heavy technical background, would you elaborate on that? I'm more like a jack of all trades.


Why? Are you a Microsoft programmer?

You are aware that developers who don't use Microsoft are happier, healthier, more productive and have more skills on their cv's?

I don't bother with them and it's a dream.


Nobody is paying MS money for VS Code. At least directly, a company like MS has much more leverage to monetise indirectly than an Indie developer.

Microsoft claims to be developer friendly these days, but they are clearly not white-hat friendly.

I observed the same thing. Microsoft is the company who cares about developers more.

I can tell my odd experience about Microsoft: my company reverse engineered many of its products and offered APIs around products without APIs. One day someone from QA sent us an e-mail offering help if some of these products have issues with Windows 7!


I am not worried about microsoft stopping developing it, i am worried about microsoft putting companies out of business using free products, which they then use to cross sell their closed source ides and as a marketing tool. If they are so open source friendly why dont they open source their visual studio, or windows, at least the older eol versions - so we can learn something out of their code, as per open source’s principles?

That’s right. Because they don’t care. They want a marketing product, dumped and aimed at commercial ide developers. VSCode is a free product, with the source code made available and developed by people for free, and for the benefit of microsoft.


Wait, there are other Microsoft developers?

Almost every windows dev I know (and I know many, owing to being a .NET dev professionally prior to Django/Python) are ignorant of anything that doesn't come from Redmond.

It'd be wasted effort, and the communities are smart enough to know that.


I don't mean Windows development.

Microsoft has vscode, github, copilot, GPT integrations, Typescript, etc.


Not only that, but in the case of MSVC/Visual Studio you have a talent feedback loop as well as a financial one. They need people to be pirating it or they'll have no windows developers in the future.

Yeah, so your code can only run on Windows. That's clearly the future. You should trust Microsoft, the company with the most vision.

Right, but MS probably isn't interested in that content for its software dev portfolio.

That and Microsoft didn't support developers.
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