It is fascinating to watch. my first reaction was more of a surprise more than anything else. Given this administration track record, I would be willing to explain it by lack of knowledge. Personally, I could not care less what symbols are used and I have a family member I never got to meet as he died in one of the camps.
That said, the more I think about it, the more it seems like a bait. And it seems to have worked.
We all really need to take a step back. The move seems desperate.
Intentions don't mean jack shit when someone somewhere has cut one corner too many and you and your family is in the fallout zone and can't leave the house, open the windows, trust your food or water safety, and that's AFTER the weeks go by before the "general population" finds out about it at all, while the people at the top of the power pyramid know within minutes or hours...
Then, years later, you read HN comments downplaying the effects and the affected with the same types of arguments as Holocaust deniers.
It's emotional, but it's not manipulation. It is the reality how it happened.
Yes, and I'm very surprised at the number of people that are apparently falling for this narrative. It would've been unthinkable just a decade ago, it seems.
It's good to see others recognise it for what it is. It needs to be strongly pushed back.
Thinking of how this fits in to conspiracy theories and general thoughts on public policy are... less than pleasant, all told. I personally take it as a good reason to have even more patience and empathy for folks; but I don't get that impression from everyone else. :(
That’s scary. At least it’ll focus some minds and resources US side and will hopefully help with figuring this vague mystery out. Both to detect and perhaps even counter
I don't think people realize how serious this is. For those of us who vividly remember the events leading up to the Iraq invasion, this is extremely unsettling. I can see younger members viewing this as just more tripe from international news or whatever though.
I guess I'm not so surprised that it's happening and I'm more surprised with the transition from "yeah it definitely looks like they're doing it" to "we have hard evidence that they're doing it."
There are probably some officials with this outlook, but you have to admit it is very sudden change in strategy after years of vehemently denying everything, and it in no way explains the footage or accounts which are the actual topics of interest here.
This is a weird event that it's going to take me a long while to form an opinion on. I just... don't know what to say or think about this. That isn't a thinly veiled condemnation. I genuinely don't know what to think about this but it's clearly something that needs to be evaluated very critically and involves so many things that are so... of their time and place.
It just. Honestly, I have no idea what to even think about this. The facts are so, well, weird.
There has to be more to this. I'm never, ever a conspiracy theorist (except hitching onto the Epstein didn't kill himself bandwagon). But this, it just has to be a false flag, or some other sort of set up.
Thank you very much for the perspective, I think people all around the world are shocked at his brazenness and even people who were "right" about his plans are horrified to be so.
This feels like a big turn to me. This just feels super significant, super different than where we were.
I also feel like there's way less discussion around this topic than most topics. I find myself with almost nothing to say about this. What it means, what it indicates, what we do, how to feel about it... I got nothing. This feels unknown, less clear to me, than the regular stream of current events that break across this planet & the west in specific.
My first reaction was "good, it's about time". I realse that there is no way I will ever understand the nuances of what's gone on or going on in that area, but it does seem clear that there is an opressor - opresee relationship.
Well, one thing this has done is bring the paranoid out of the woodwork. I've rarely seen such a display of tinfoil hattery on HN as I have done in the last few days.
I think you've summarized my more vague feelings well. Add to this that people uncomfortable with the actions taken range from nut-job conspiracy theorists to immature opposition-defiance disorder sufferers to those who took many precautions but put aggregate quality of life over quantity. Then look at the down-voting in this thread spanning the spectrum of opinions... It's going to be hard to reach any sort of nuanced consensus or agreement.
That said, the more I think about it, the more it seems like a bait. And it seems to have worked.
We all really need to take a step back. The move seems desperate.
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