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Political power play doesn't work out as easily remotely. Social manipulations is harder. That is my observation.


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Taking advantage and having position of power are pretty well defined in current society, these relationships don't have an equal standing between parties.

The problem is it's much harder to moderate power structures, because that requires changing them from the inside, which they themselves are incentivized to prevent.

How are you definining the dfference between power and influence over politics?

Politics: Powerful parties manipulating others into thinking that the goals of those in power are beneficial to society as a whole.

Not only are they easier to manipulate - they have a conflict of interest when they (for instance) demand that the government pay them money when they don't pay taxes.

It's not a manipulation, it's acknowledgement of the reality that one party has the power and the other doesn't. Why have a leader who cannot make decisions without taking a vote?

isn't political power a zero-sum game? Get as much as possible and hold it. Control people's lives.

I am not sure, not easy when there are powerful people who have a vested interest in exactly the opposite.

More likely, "difficult when there are important people complicit in all this, but whom you must retain as your allies to exercise political power".

It's part of why the whole thing is rotten and can't be fixed from within the system by the system's own rules. Too many skeletons in too many closets.


Yes I understand that, but the power dynamic completely shifts when the powerful party shows interest. You might get yourself out of handcuffs by giving your or even a fake number if the powerful party is interested.

Unfortunately it can be difficult to tell who empathizes with the masses and who is just pretending to in pursuit of power.

Actually, there is a qualitative difference in play. It is reached at millions USD in (relatively) liquid assets or highly concentrated political power.

It is the potential to do almost anything w here only another big player or a whole society can blunt it and not necessarily effectively.

It is the difference between playing the rules and making the rules.


Indeed, the power goes to the person who can successfully manipulate the most people. Historically that tends to be people who blame minorities for all the ills of the group of people most likely to vote, and come up with what seem like easy solutions (tax the rich, ban the immigrants)

I for one don't have time in my life to be an expert on running an economy, creating an immigration policy, balancing the environmental and societal needs etc. I specialize in my area of expertise and use that money to employ others who specialize in their areas, and that includes government.


The intuition is that freer political systems are both more challenging and less rewarding to subvert, because no individual person or group has overwhelming power.

Politically it seems impossible though, because the hit will always be avoided by those with the most power

Is it so easy to get political power that people who actually are rather than pretend being this stupid use to manage that?

I think the point is that the power is also decentralized making it harder (not impossible) for those type of people to gain control over others.

The "hardball" approach isn't always the best. If you play hardball and lose, you permanently lower your power and influence.

The fact that those in power think that 'infiltration' and 'manipulation' only happens downstream shows how well it's working on the upstream... They're not even aware of it.
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