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US legal precedent is based on legal decisions in the US, not legal decisions in China.


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Even in common law system like the US, trial court rulings aren't binding precedent.

So they dont look at precedents in court system in USA ?

You are comparing two completely different legal systems (US vs China) and you are surprised there is a difference?

The US is is a rule-OF-law country, China is rule-BY-law. The difference is that in rule-OF-law, the government is subject to the law. In rule-BY-law, the law is the tool the government uses to rule (dominate), that is, rule by means of law. It may sound nitpicky, but it’s a rather big difference.

Part of the reason for this is that the US system uses common law which means that it changes over time based on previous cases.

The Chinese system is based more on the German system where courts have less leeway and follow the laws more than interpret the laws.

The Chinese civil law is more common worldwide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law


Jurisprudence isn't even uniform through Europe. IIRC, in France they don't consider precedent nearly as much as the US.

precedent is law in a common law system such as our own.

Can you elaborate on the notion of US case law, before the US existed? I don't mean this to be snarky, I assume this was intentional. Is this referring to cases prior to the US's founding, that the US then adopted as relevant legal precedent?

The unique part of Chinese law is the lack of judicial supremacy or "rule of law". The party has supremacy over legal system interpretation as part of the '3 Supremes' order of precedence, with workers also coming ahead of the law.

In the US system, there are still miscarriages of Justice, but there is judicial supremacy and separation of powers.

The powers aren't as separated as say the French justice system, but most would say the US judicial system is mostly independent of the other branches of government.


I think that’s not quite right. Precedents have a lesser role but are definitely relevant. My law classes in the Netherlands extensively covered important rulings as a way to interpret laws.

Just a note, precedent has little impact on law outside of countries that don't practice common law. Common law originates from the UK and Germany and France don't practice it, therefore precedence has little to no impact.

Note that China does not use Common law. Civil law is much more rule based; similarities in cases can not be used to explain each other. Having case XYZ the rule for XY may be disabled by a rule for Z (being defined in a completely different law book).

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EDIT: This may even be the reason why legal tech in the US is way ahead of europe.


Actually, precedent only applies in common law systems. Switzerland has a civil law system.

For somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about, you sure do press a lot of buttons.


(Unlike US) Most of EU use civil law system. Precedent are not binding in civil law system

It should be mentioned that we don’t have case law the same way the US does. So one court deciding this does not mean that this is now law.

Well, I don't presume to know how US law works.

In the UK, precedents are set by the decisions of the High Court (civil) or Crown Court (criminal), and by higher courts. Lower courts don't set precendents I believe - IANAL.


Precendent rulings and legislations are separate things in civil law countries. Not separating them is how the U.S. got the Roe v. Wade fiasco.

No two court cases are completely identical. Precedents are an important reference but they themselves do not automatically decide the outcome in civil law jurisdictions


It's similar, actually.

They still take precedents into great consideration, although they're not binding.


Is there a country where no precedent is set by court rulings?

It seems a little weird to be able to (and also practically do) rule differently in the same situation

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