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And so are background actors and actors you've only ever seen on infomercials, yet they're represented by the same SAG-AFTRA as movie stars.


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Doesn't the definition of background actor preclude being in SAG though? I thought extras had to be in three or four productions in a year before they got their SAG cards.

May be not all. But certainly if those under SAG-AFTRA did certainly. I don't remember specific actor adding much to my experience ever. I don't even recognize their voices or names, so can't be bothered.

Then look at movie stars instead of athletes if you feel the analogy isn't apt. They're all card carrying members of SAG-AFTRA.

There's a whole market of people who look sorta like famous people, hired for B-rate movies.

That’s just insane though. People don’t care about continuity in background actors or what they look like. Many background actors will be reused in different contexts as different people.

If studios can apply their likeness to a cheaper actor, they can also apply a made up likeness to a cheaper actor. Or the likeness of a model. Or the likeness of a volunteer who thinks it’d be cool.

The only case where this applies, maybe, is for characters with speaking roles that have enough positive reception that they have negotiating power for their cost to return for future works. But that’s a tiny segment far removed from the majority of this guild. And if it’s actually sensible to do this over hiring the actor then they could probably just do this from the beginning.


How does that compare to movies? They are really actors and only a handful get the big paydays.

Ah, so those are actors!

Isn't this the role Hollywood stars fill?

Background actors are explicitly a main focus point of this. Read up on it more.

Nobody seems to realize, the value is in inserting ordinary people into media with celebrities! Perfect for brand name advertising, you with a celebrity telling you how smart you are for using they brand they pitch.

I formally built an ad agency with a feature film VFX pipeline for actor replacement advertising - but I built it back in '08, years before "deep fakes" and nobody believed what I had working was possible.


You are talking about movie and TV stars, not actors in general. The vast majority of working actors are not known to the audience.

Where are you getting these numbers from? I was under the impression that people can and do work as professional extras. And then there's voice work too. And to be honest if any roles in TV/movies/Ads are going to get AI'ed it's them.

You are mostly correct. You can do one off acting but any major production will only hire SAG artists

"recognizability" has nothing to do with why actors are striking.

If I'm a background actor, of course I want to get paid to be in multiple movies instead of just getting paid once to serve as AI training data.

Plus, many famous actors started out in bit background parts, and there is a valid fear this is "pulling up the ladder". Brad Pitt's first movie role was as an uncredited waiter in the 1987 film No Man's Land, for which he was almost fired trying to ad lib a line (i.e. to "upgrade" his part to a speaking role).


Could be: a lot of the 'branding' of the actor these days is about curating what films they show up in. Like, if Johnny Depp is in a movie, you know generally what kind of film it'll be. The AA (Artificial Actor, haha) would benefit from having an agent, much like real actors, to keep consumers' meta-dissonance down.

That said, actors swap between wildly disparate roles all the time and no one seems to care!


Can't they Taft-Hartley the speaking roles (paying a fine for using non-SAG performers, as is routinely done with commercials)?

When I saw the $10k thing I was wondering if it included a SAG background performer voucher.


Not for background roles though. There are no stars in that world.

Do you need a reliable, efficient way to cast background actors for your films, TV shows, and commercials? A background casting agency can provide you with the background actors you need.

This is true, but the counterweight is that there are good actors who recruit other good actors too.
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