To be fair you can be a scammer without necessarily being aware of it, like the hordes of MLM people who run around and actually think it's a business.
has the same dynamics like the crypto world even, with it promising in a sense to create value out of nothing by just holding on long enough and spreading the gospel
Like crypto, it's scammer catnip; lots of money sloshing around, most people don't really understand how it works, mentioning its shortcomings is kinda taboo in the community, going from dumb idea to thing which kinda looks like it might be a product if you don't poke it too hard requires minimal skill.
I think the same conditions also product a lot of _accidental_ scammers; people who aren't intentionally selling something impossible, but are merely too incompetent to realise that what they are promising is impossible (I think someone linked an LLM tool that claimed to _do your taxes for you_ here recently...).
That's not to say there's nothing to it, but it is a near-perfect playground for grifters.
There are definitely cryptocurrencies out there that are scams, but big ones like ethereum and bitcoin for example are not. This is besides the point though.
Why do Ponzi schemes still exist if they’re scams? Why do MLMs still exist if they’re scams? Why does any scam exist if it’s a scam?
The answer is obvious: because there are still enough chumps to be tricked. There will always be people willing to believe anything, and there will always be others ready to exploit that.
Plus, you’re conflating things. Cryptocurrencies as technology aren’t inherently scams, it just so happens their features make them an extremely well suited tool to run scams with (which can take various forms), so much so that’s by far their most common use case.
MLM schemes are a scam because the premise is that you'll make money, but there is no creation of value and the increase in value just comes from the increase in users. Once you saturate the market, the last people to get in are left holding the bag. They lose their money so someone else could get it.
Cryptocurrencies increase in value as more people use them, but they don't fall to zero as a result of becoming widespread, because their sole value isn't for speculation. They can also be used as a currency.
Now, some of these valuations have built into them the assumption that their use as a currency will ultimately become widespread, because otherwise they would be worth a lot less than they are. But less isn't the same as zero, and volatility doesn't matter if you are using it as a currency because then you're not holding enough of it for a long enough period of time to be exposed to a major change in value.
With a MLM scam the value doesn't just have volatility, when you run out of suckers the value crashes to zero forever. With cryptocurrency the speculators can lose their shirts and at the end of the day you can still buy Bitcoin with cash and then use it to pay for a VPN.
I guess what exactly do you define as scamming? In terms of outright fraud, I agree there's a lot. It shouldn't be super surprising that scammers tend to prefer decentralized permissionless financial rails, for the same reason that political extremists and pornographers were some of the biggest earliest users of the decentralized permissionless publishing rails of the early Internet.
But I wouldn't characterize all, or even most of crypto as scams. Gambling, maybe. Are memecoins a scam? I would say they're more like a massively multiplayer form of gambling. Which you might argue is a bad thing, and certainly is dubious from a social standpoint. But if the code is openly public and autonomous, and there's no outright deceit, I don't think gambling is really gambling.
Even beyond that, there's a lot happening in crypto that most certainly isn't scams. You have stablecoins and payment rails like USDC, stores of value like Bitcoin, smart contract chains like Ethereum, decentralized finance applications like permissionless exchanges and lending markets, social applications like farcaster, decentralized AI, and gaming.
Now you might argue that all of these things are stupid and pointless and wastes of money, but that's a separate debate. Of the large projects in these categories almost none are outright scams. They're teams experimenting with new ways to run financial markets or move payments or train models or hedge inflation. Like most technological experiments most will fail. But if that was the criteria for "scam" then the entire startup sector is also wall-to-wall scams.
I agree, but there are different levels of scam, and this isn’t a particularly complex one. Very little was required from the conned to figure out it’s a scam; e.g., the involvement of the “NFT” concept.
Unfortunately scammers will always find new suckers for their ventures. People lose money to pyramid selling/MLM scams in real life all the time. Cryptocurrencies just made it possible to recruit suckers on a global scale.
Unless governments step in and ban them, there will always be new crypto scams.
It's interesting how prone the major social networks seem to be to outright scams. You can find plenty of cult leaders and fake cancer treatments on YouTube, Holocaust denial material on Reddit, etc.
Of course those companies have every right to keep that material up, but it's strange how those scams are tolerated when other stuff is taken down. The pure scale of it all probably makes those scams more effective than they used to be as well. You don't gotta sell your miracle water from town to town anymore, you just make a YouTube video and send it out to a million people. Cryptocurrency scams really take advantage of this.
Not sure why those companies don't care about users getting taken advantage of, but they don't. Sometimes it feels like our economy is based on scams all the way down.
I'm pretty much of this point of view as well. Guess my point is that BTC/ETH/XRP etc... weren't started with scamming in mind. They were genuine projects in their own right. Of course the market and investment in crypto is now 99% scam territory. Chains like Ethereum and the Binance one are now just platforms for scams enitrely.
What about your work makes it scam? The lack of business utility? I've seen some communities have fun with NFTs like trading cards. I am not defending crypto, but I am curious how to better define scam as it relates to the hundreds for crypto proposals.
You hear about "scam stories" because they're usually interesting and they get clicks so media will naturally put them on the spotlight. You don't hear about thoudands of people in third world countries who are able to get capital for their projects, start up their business by avoid sanctions put on their countries banking systems, NGOs who are able to collect donations while in autocratic regimes, sick people who can order their medication on the darknet which for whatever reason is not available to them in their country, and so on and so on. The fact that you can just wire $100 to your buddy across the world for a 50 cent fee without caring about banks or IBANs or SWIFT codes or whatever else just blows my mind to this day, it creates so many opportunities one cannot just brush the whole crypto concept off as some nft scam shit.
has the same dynamics like the crypto world even, with it promising in a sense to create value out of nothing by just holding on long enough and spreading the gospel
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