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you could tell that to all the browser vendors too

Well, that’s all the browser vendors. Their interests first.

The ecosystem are the other browser vendors.

The web is not vendor-agnostic. It's mostly run by Google (Chromium-based browsers), with Firefox and Safari only owning a fraction of the marketshare.

I've always thought that company names like "Entrust" are hostages to fortune, daring the Fates to intervene. In this case the Fates are the browser vendors.

Which one employs the people who ship the browser?

Which browser vendor goes to a direction you'd like?

I'm just curious because as much as I disagree with many of Mozilla decisions, I still can't honestly compare it to other browser vendors like Google, Apple, and Microsoft.


Browser competition is one that sparks inovation. Each vendor wants to be the leader. So they compete.

And also anyone want to browse web using any browser they have at the time, it may be outdated.


I don't think you can conclude from "things got better when browser vendors took over" that it'd be the same if there was one vendor dominating. They keep each other honest at least to a degree, forcing that issues are discussed and things thought out instead of someone in a browser team coming up with an idea and shipping it the first way they can come up with.

Doesn't that rule out every major browser vendor?

- Google: obviously

- Microsoft: is a Cloud service provider

- Mozilla: VPN provider, also makes a social VR for headsets and browsers and is a cloud service provider

- Apple: iCloud, App Store, and Apple TV

- Brave: ad network wedded directly to the browser implementation


Well yes. Don't the other browser vendors count as adopters?

Indeed, and an advertising company also happens to be the dominant browser vendor.

We're quickly approaching the third "E" in "embrace, extend, extinguish."


Browser vendors is a bit abstract when you are talking about a group of four, two of which have horses in the race.

In theory there were good reasons to think browser vendors would support ogg, in practice MS and Apple showed zero interest.


Browsers have commercial interest =) There is room for both.

I have very little real-world development experience so know these questions are relatively innocent: If there is one browser vendor do they not also control what is the cutting edge of technology? Wouldn't you be completely limited by them? Specifically, could you really imagine Microsoft setting the standards for the experience you have day to day on the web?

But they ship their own browser?

Browser vendors collaborating to mitigate a problem they created by shoving more and more complexity into web standards, resulting in a huge moat when it comes to implementing a browser engine.

This complexity moat is what gives Google control over things like Widevine to force you to watch ads, and Apple control over things like slowing down PWA adoption to force developers to use their app store.

Not saying this is evil, just companies following profit incentives as intended. But it often results in worse outcomes for users.

I would love to see some sort of reboot of the web with simple protocols and real experimentation happening in browsers again.


Is it an anti-trust red flag if web browser vendors started collaborating on testing tools, too?

From a vendor strategy perspective, that's true. From a web browser market share perspective, that's not true at all.
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