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>You realize how your argument could apply to any monopoly right?

In a monopoly there wouldn't be significant competitors to compare against.



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> trying to rebut the argument “this looks like monopolistic bullying” with “but they aren’t a monopoly” isn’t a good argument.

It’s a great argument because a monopoly is a very clearly defined thing, not whatever you want it to be.


> No reasonable person would call a monopoly market a competitive one, but here we are.

1/2 a mile is pretty close - I don't see how you can call that a monopoly.


> Would you mind explaining how a company could hold monopoly power while not actually holding a monopoly?

Quite arguably, you can’t, but monopoly power (particularly, its expression as pricing power) can be observable (and itself proves an actual monopoly) when monopoly would not be clear by other means.

The ability to price without sales going to a competitor demonstrates the absence of actual competition, regardless of the superficial apparent competition in a described market.


> Because if there are alternatives, then it isn't a monopoly.

The definition of monopoly is not 100% market share.


> That's just far from being a monopoly.

Correct, but besides the point. The relevant laws are not just about monopolies.

>but if you look around, there is plenty of competition.

Also correct, but again not really relevant.


> having a monopoly is not problem, abusing it is.

Having a monopoly should be case enough.


> which I understand to be "only a monopolist would make it easy for consumers to choose a competitor"

No, not "only".

The argument is that while non-monopolists have a motivation to add those choices, monopolists have a motivation too.

Therefore seeing the end result isn't very strong evidence for whether something is a monopoly or not.


> I think there's an important difference between a monopoly and a company that happens to have no competition at the moment. I think that active anti-competitive actions are one of the defining characteristics of a monopoly

You are of course free to think so, but be aware that does not align with the common use of the term monopoly.


> You're setting an unreasonably high bar for what you're willing to define as a monopoly

No I'm not. A monopoly by definition requires no competition, and monopolistic profits are not possible with competition. They could possibly occur with cartels in markets with high barriers to entry, but cartels are unstable because the markets benefit cartel-breaking behavior more than they benefit cartel behavior.

I find it absolutely rational of you to not want to discuss any further. It's the natural end state of stubborn ignorance. I've already demonstrated that not all markets end in monopoly, but only those with high barriers to entry. If any reader wants more examples, they can google the term Commodity.


> Could you name an existing stable monopoly that is not a state-granted monopoly.

No, because we have regulations to prevent them and break them up.

There are a number of entities that are clearly restraining their classically monopolistic behavior BECAUSE of the regulations such as Microsoft, Google and Amazon.


> Yes, this is the monopoly part of the argument.

If there is a single customer, it is not a monopoly, but a monopsony:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monopsony&oldid=9...


> would you conclude that both companies have monopolies?

Personally yes, that's the textbook of unfair competition.


> Once you can affect entire industries surrounding your product, you're certainly a monopoly.

That’s not at all what a monopoly is.


>That is effectively a monopoly.

Monopoly on what exactly?


> Can someone explain how Google has a monopoly when there are competitors in their league?

Being a monopoly doesn’t mean you have no competitors - it means you have enough control of the market to artificially affect/set the market price for something (ie that there was not enough competition for efficient pricing).


> You can have monopoly power without having a monopoly.

Would you mind explaining how a company could hold monopoly power while not actually holding a monopoly?


> Nobody wins except the monopolist, and monopolies are already bad, so why help them?

You are obviously entitled to the opinion that monopolies are bad but, fwiw, the ftc is a lot more concerned with anti-competitive behavior than it is with monopolies. Those get conflated because they frequently occur together but a lot of companies have monopolies that most people don't really have an issue with because they aren't anti-competitive.

Sometimes a monopoly is a monopoly because they are better than everyone else.


> Ok, first of all, how is it a monopoly if you just bought the thing?

In general, monopolies are owned, and may be bought and sold.


> If they lose, they could be broken up for being a monopoly.

Correct. Monopolies have been given a pass because they supposedly have not raised prices for consumers. If it can be shown that they have then their argument falls apart.

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