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Are you talking about Nazarbayev? (Not sure about the anglification of that name) Is he not still in a position of power?

I remember some proclaiming that his resignation was nothing but an act...



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That opinion piece is by the old leader Nazarbayev, who Tokayev just muscled out of power.

>President Tokayev says that he is the chairman of security council from now, instead of Nazarbayev

This is a huge deal. Conventional wisdom was that Nazarbayev, an unchallenged strongman for almost 30 years, only gave up the day-to-day duties of running the country to a younger sycophant but retained the ability to make "higher-order" decisions via his chairmanship of the security council - one of the models which Putin might follow as well, since he cannot ever simply retire.

This either means Nazarbayev doesn't want to be associated with the fall of Tokayev and will attempt to feign conflict with him to retain power in case shit goes south, or perhaps Tokayev just used the situation to perform a "forced retirement" coup against Nazarbayev.


Nazarbayev is 81 years old. It doesn't seem likely he'll emerge as the new ruler, even with Russian backing. ...but he might lend legitimacy to any new leader the Russians try to muscle in.

I didn't know. Interesting. The news coverage of Kazakhstan is bordering on nothing in my part of the world. Other than covering his resignation, I don't think I have read anything other than the renaming of Astana.

It's also unclear (judging from my twitter feed and a few liveblogs I follow) where Nazarbayev is currently located (and what he thinks about this mess).

So does anyone have a recap of this chain of events?

From the last time I heard about this, it sounded like he was bullied into selling his shares to one of Putin's buddies, and stepping down. Then he said he would like to stay in Russia, now he's fleeing?


I mean this guy is NK's Kim level of crazy but you should see who he replaced: the previous president-for-life Niyazov is known for:

- renamed months and days of week to references to his own autobiography;

- banished dogs from the capital;

- banned lip syncing at concerts;

- banned recorded music at any public event and on television;

- built a palace of ice in the desert near the capital, so people could learn to skate;

- after quitting smoking himself, banned smoking and chewing tobacco for the entire country;

- outlawed opera, ballet, and circus because it's un-Turkmen-like;

- banned long hair and beards for men;

- banned makeup for news reporters;

- discouraged gold teeth and suggested that people should chew on bones like dogs to improve dental health;

- changed Turkmen language to rename bread (as in actual bread) and the month of April to Gurbansoltan, his mother's name.


I read the defense minister resigned in a deal negotiated by Lukashenko, and charges dropped against Prigozhin

That’s an absolute win, for Prigozhin, since that was the original goal

this internal issue has nothing to do with anyone outside of that region

thats a pretty big shakeup. “I dont like this guy and there is no political process to remove him so I brought in my private army, the President fleed and he resigned in 10 hours”


Is it? My understanding is that he completely peaced out of Russia shortly after Putin came to power and has been uninvolved in Russian affairs for ~15 years.

He is largely irrelevant now. He was significantly popular, but there is a combination of:

1. Many of his most fervent followers fleeing the country in February or September 2022.

2. His team being useless and consisting of people of very questionable loyalty (the question remains why he let them all in), and in many cases under their own brands.

3. Overall switch from the anti-corruption discourse towards different set of topics, such as war, etc - where he does not have much relevance.

4. Him being AFK (not to blame him for that).

5. His organization FBK now resides abroad, burning grant money and not doing anything useful for Russian residents.


But then he got replaced 4 years later. Unlike what happened in Russia.

The Prime Minister, Mikhail Mishustin becomes acting President. Russia has laws covering this.

I'm not sure where he could flee to, though.


Yep. Pavel Durov was forced out by various Kremlin connected folk for daring to stand up to the FSB and the Kremlin. He also went public about their unlawful requests. He then fled Russia.

edit: ugly sentence structure.


> good move.

The part where he pulled the plug, or the part where he consulted with Russian officials?


AFAIK Navalny is pretty irrelevant in Russia itself, he's much bigger in the West.

Also I don't think that unrest in Kazakhstan was anti-Russian, the old dictator was actually moving away from the Russian sphere of influence.


It can be both. He might have sensed that he was losing Putin favor and decided to defect.

Here's another thing to blow your mind: Grobachev was the inly Russian leader in history that resigned himself quietly, and then lived his life as a normal person.

In all of Russian history.

You could argue that Medvedev did, too, but this increasingly deranged puppet is sort of back in politics now.


Wasn't he the 'prime minister' during those 4 years? I thought he more or less just switched positions with Medvedev for those 4 years.

Indeed, what he did by stepping down peacefully was highly unusual for a politician in his circumstances. It was like a miracle. And now we're seeing a more typical behavior from the successor of his successor.

It is too bad that in his later years he kinda regretted it, and kept saying "I should have kept going until the end". Perhaps it is natural to regret past decisions wondering if an alternative decision might have led to a better outcome. Hope that before he died he realized that had he pursued that alternative path he'd end up like Putin.

In summary -- Mr. Gorbachev was one of the most decent politicians and upstanding people in general that ever lived.

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