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> On the other hand the counter-theory ("there was illegal bat trafficking from a small mine in Yunnan")

One theory is that people mine bat guano from caves, so there's no need for them to ever touch a dead bat.



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> What's the reason the lab is located in that city? Is there an underlying causal connection?

I thought so initially, but then:

1. look at the size of China; even assuming bats are found only in half of it, and maybe that Wuhan has more bats than other cities, that's still pretty fucking unlucky.

2. the bats in question are not from the same province anyway


> because there were no documented cases of live bats or live pangolins being sold in that market.

Was selling live bats or live pangolins legal?


> It came from a wet market for exotic meats. If it wasn’t a bat it was some other animal that was illegally trafficked and shouldn’t have been sold for consumption.

And this has what to do about making specific claims without evidence? With passing off sources as supporting your claims when they make no such claim?


> One thing we may have to consider is a policy of bat eradication.

Holy crap! This is a bad idea. Just leave the bats alone. They serve as an apex predator to provide balance to the natural environment.


> What culture eats bats?

> It’s not a Chinese thing. So which ones do?

Upvote for asking without animosity. I appreciate you.

Since you asked,

> Bats are a food source for humans in some areas. Bats are consumed in various amounts in Seychelles, Indonesia, Vietnam, Guam, and in some other Asian and Pacific Rim countries and cultures.[1][2][3] In Guam, Mariana fruit bats (Pteropus mariannus) are considered a delicacy,[4][5] and a flying fox bat species was made endangered due to being hunted there.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_as_food


> We (humans) had wet markets filled with animals, including the very bats that carry the base virus.

No wet markets here where I am ... so maybe speak for yourself.


> Hope you are not too attached to any of the following crops, which would die off without bats: cacao, peaches, bananas, guava, mango, dates, and figs.

Fruit bats and mosquito-eating bats are different bats.


> You can't be serious. A disease that originated in bats just killed 15-25 million people and shut the entire world down for two years.

Maybe someone should not have eaten them?

Or maybe let’s extend your logic to humans, see how easy it works?


Responding to someone saying bats can go extinct. They didn’t specifically mention a type of bats, so it seems it’s out of hatred for bats in general.

> The upsides far outweigh the risks.

You can't be serious. A disease that originated in bats just killed 15-25 million people and shut the entire world down for two years.

> My favourite feature of theirs is that they take care of all the mosquitos

I live in a place where bats abound, and I can assure you that they don't.


> I hope this doesn't come across as inhumane, but hypothetically what would be the bio-diversity/eco-system impact of simply exterminating or at least curbing these huge bat colonies.

If you rationalize it like this, then why is it bad to slightly reduce human population?


>I guess as I understand it, it doesn’t matter if animals are normally friendly because rabies causes them to act aggressively.

I wrote a whole comment about bats being asymptomatic carriers, but Googling around the information is not clear. According to [1], bats have been shown to be symptomatic (and they die from rabies), but other bats of the same species remained asymptomatic (but still spread the disease).

At least it seems it's possible there were asymptomatic bats in their house.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3168224/


> My favourite feature of theirs is that they take care of all the mosquitos so no need to buy or use repellent.

I am not so sure about that. I don’t think bats are either necessary or sufficient for effective malaria control. In parts of the world where there are bats, you still have a problem with mosquito borne illnesses such as malaria.


> how much can we keep this up?

Large colonies under relatively exposed bridges are not likely an evolutionarily winning behavior in the long term even without an increase in extreme weather frequency.

Since there is a healthy bat population that otherwise survives well throughout Houston in trees, eaves and elsewhere, the loss of less robustly situated bats isn't going to make a large difference, in my layperson's point of view. There isn't a need to keep anything up because the bats do just fine without human interference.


> Were experimented animals not disposed of properly?

It's not inconceivable that a few of them ended up in the wildlife market. Great way for some low-level person in the lab to make a few bucks, and according to many people I know who have spent time in China the culture of "anything for a few bucks" is even more potent than it is in the USA.

I'm sure Chinese authorities are examining this possibility, but they would never talk about it as it would be embarrassing. If anyone is found to have done this they will be in deep ??.


> stop eating exotic wild animals

You're probably referring to the youtube disinformation that has been trotted around by right-wing media outlets as "the cause".

It may very well have come from bats. But bats can infect other animals, in various ways, including ones that are traded in live-animal markets.

This is not about cuisine.


> she really wanted to macerate a bat, to see how its wing looked on the inside. But that's not gonna happen because of the risk of rabies.

Err, depending on your location (in the US), there is a risk of raccoons carrying rabies as well. It's generally isolated to the east coast, but worth noting.

https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/location/usa/surveillance/wild_an...


> I wonder if nocturnal creatures start coming out like bats

My guess would be no, because nocturnal creatures would be asleep when it happens and so probably not even notice it.


> not exactly thrilled about fanged frogs

Well, we had wisened up to them appearing as bats so…

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