Sure, but incels talking point is that 80% of women are going after 20% of men, that's whopping 80% of men who are being left out. This could predict big problem for general stability of western society, where incels hating women on obscure internet forums is just mild start of what's about to come.
"Sure, but incels talking point is that 80% of women are going after 20% of men, that's whopping 80% of men who are being left out. This could predict big problem for general stability of western society, where incels hating women on obscure internet forums is just mild start of what's about to come."
Hasn't it always been similar to this? The most attractive people have the most prospects. If there wasn't competition, everyone would want the top men or women. There's going to be some amount of realistic expectations causing people to "settle". The actually excluded population is not 80% but probably single digits.
I really don't think this will be a problem. Yes, you'll have some outliers doing bad things, but it's not going to become a widespread issue. Even in the article they mention that being an incel is not usually the primary reason for violence.
I see incels as collateral damage from the the Gender Wars. A schism intentionally driven to supplement the broader Culture Wars. I only expect this to get worse and have no idea how it will end.
Incels show up in stats but most everyone is suffering. I do know that victim blaming will continue while we learn the hard way why we had traditions in the first place.
I suspect the same is happening here in the US as well. There’s a growing “incel” population who are shunned because they don’t meet standard definitions of beauty or social fitness. The problem compounds as men become less and less confident about their prospects which leads to behavior like the one described in the article.
Strongly agree. I know a few people like this who are already quietly exploring AI relationships, one of my oldest friends is among them. Can’t help but think that the rise of incels has arrived.
You're taking a bad-faith reading of OP's comments: they're not talking about the self-identified incels; they're talking about the majority of single men who are single involuntarily. The latter is the group of which the former are a part. They're not the same thing, and conflating them is disingenuous.
OP raises a valid point about the increasing numbers of single men and the possible long-term health and societal effects of having (say) 20% of men single for their entire 20s. A certain toxic percentage will become incels -- and probably always would have become something like that -- but the remaining 95% are a largely new phenomenon and one I don't think is being taken seriously. We're into new territory here and we'll only find out the results in 10 or 20 years time.
FWIW: I'm not an incel. I've been happily married for five years.
Their lived experience, whether perceived or by proxy, is that women hated them first. The 'incel culture' is really just the same echo chamber amplification that the Internet enables with any marginalized group. Some are going to get out and lead a normal life, some are going to lean into it and get more and more detached from reality.
I didn't realize how much of HN overlapped the incel 'community'. Really an eye-opening and depressing thread. Do so many young men really think this way?
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