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You wouldn't be able to transfer the money out until it settles.


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Settlement is not a formality. Money still has to change hands behind the scenes in various bank accounts. The only thing that's instant is the check for available funds. The actual transfer of money still occurs via ACH.

Indeed.

But now you need to wait for the cash to settle, which takes about two days.


The underlying account still works so you could do an ACH transfer out to another account if you like.

No good. Money doesn't move instantly, and you need someone to handle disputes.

Some reading:

https://bam.kalzumeus.com/archive/the-alchemy-of-deposits/

https://bam.kalzumeus.com/archive/no-payments-are-final/


What if the bank doesn't allow you to make that transaction? How much delay are you willing to accept? Fees?

So the flow would still be:

You > Bank/Financial Corp > Fed > Receiving Bank > Destination

right? Would banks still be able to hold transactions as pending until they do daily settlement?


And of course even if you deposited a check that day it wouldn't clear until the next business day so you'd pay a negative account balance fee for three days before your money hit.

Considering most bank transactions take days to settle you probably have more time than you think.

Thats the problem with instant money transfer. With ACH you have time to claw back the money before it settles on the other side.

No, settlement must be immediate (unless fraud, AML, KYC, US sanctions/OFAC, or a similar exception).

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/06/06/2022-11... (control-f “Immediate Funds Availability”)


Right, there's probably no way to margin call people who have already initiated the transfer of the money. RH has to float it a few days for the ACH to complete.

Have you used a bank lately? Tried moving money and buying some stocks? Tell me how long that takes from money leaving your account to settlement.

> Instant money transfer means instantly draining someone's bank account with no recourse. Checks have plenty of opportunities to stop the money, so you can write a check on a Sunday as easily as a Wednesday.

This argument doesn't actually work; the period during which you can recover a check that shouldn't have been valid is (much) longer than the settlement period. This immediately shows that instant transfer does not mean instantly draining someone's account with no recourse. The recourse period isn't related to the settlement period.


Not when the transaction is happening. The bank will charge you later. If many people can’t actually pay at that point, the bank will loose.

Yes, and only next day settlement. Because there’s no real time authorization, payments have two business days after settlement for the banks to report ordinary failures like insufficient funds.

How quickly a bank responds in that window depends greatly on the bank. In practice at decent scale, we see banks using every possible hour of that two day window to fail transactions.

An ACH debit made on Friday night technically has until open of business Wednesday to fail.


This is also why you can end up with an extended hold on a deposited check.

Consider for example personal check issued between banks in two countries. There may not be a formal complete resolution process, so funds are released to you only after your bank is reasonably certain that the other bank is going to honor it, or more likely, not going to ask for it back.


If you have to wait 2-3 days to get money your money its not an emergency fund.

That seems unlikely. Settling accounts instantly in that kind of system is almost impossible. Unless the money is going directly from payer to the payee there must be some slack in the system somewhere, and that means debt. I will admit though I could have an incorrect understanding of how these accounts are settled.

Yes, with ACH it's possible for the money to be tied up for some time, which deprives you of interest.
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