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>Science can.

But can we though?



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Note that I'm no scientist so I only have my personal belief to go by. Yes. If its important enough, I believe anyone can.

well said. The limits of science are not bound to our own.

"It can be done" is a far cry from "it's reasonable to expect scientists to do this".

It seems you’re taking my words beyond what I said.

Science has its use, but in the grand scheme of things, science only helps us see the mirror dimly.


Scare quotes? Reality? Facts? Are we having the same discussion here?

There are limitations to science.


If it wasn't, we couldn't do any science.

Actually, you need the Laws of Nature's permission. Science is a human attempt to get at them. Showing that you can do something in spite of the current laws of science is how you make them evolve and progress.

I do believe you can apply science once a goal or desired outcome is decided upon. There is no known science that can help you come to a goal. E.g. science can't tell you that we should reduce pollution but can help if we decide that's a worthy goal and worth the tradeoffs.

Perhaps as we better understand the brain that may change.


How shall we fix this (with science)?

"Science can help us to attain the life we want, but it cannot teach us what kind of life is worth wanting.

Sure scientists do. But we the collective fails to adapt

yes, until now, scientists always can save us. but they just need one time...

It is. We just don't have the right science yet.

True (or mostly so), but not useful. Math is obscure, and science is not trusted.

Not that "we" are any better -- we can't even get technologists (or doctors) to understand statistics. How can we hope for a general-population understanding of scientific process?

My answer: We can't. We can hope for leadership that steers the conversation in a useful direction, but democracy sometimes gets in the way of the elevation of useful leaders, and the media has no interest in promoting good (mostly boring) governance.


Science cannot answer all of our questions, but it can teach us how to ask better ones.

Science isn't a god with priests telling you what it says. It's a process that anyone can and should do.

I mean, you're responding to an example of "science" that doesn't work and we make stuff with it.

"Science" in this case is the best knowledge we have. Just because it's not perfect doesn't mean it's not the best thing we have.

It's hard making some people understand that such debates go beyond the scope of science (or that there's anything beyond the score of science for that matter) :/
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