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The original story that started this all spoke to multiple of the students on the trip and has more details: https://www.thedailybeast.com/star-new-york-times-reporter-d...


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His employer has incentive to minimize what he did. In any event, his conduct caused multiple students to independently complain.

Here’s what one of the students who was there wrote

> “He used the ‘N’ word, said horrible things about black teenagers, and said white supremacy doesn’t exist.”

Perhaps that’s not what he meant but it’s what multiple people who were there heard.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/star-new-york-times-reporter-d...


The original article: http://www.wfsb.com/story/23472914/students-called-n-word-ch... There's an older video by a guy who went on a similar, but apparently less traumatizing, field trip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PToqVW4n86U so I guess this isn't an isolated incident.

Not by my reading of the hit piece.

> After the excursion ended, according to multiple parents of students on the trip who spoke with The Daily Beast along with documents shared with the...


> In the NY Times, for example, I haven't seen it,

Try now:

NY Times title when a "story" (schoolyard scuffle) broke:

A Black Virginia Girl Says White Classmates Cut Her Dreadlocks at a Playground - https://web.archive.org/web/20190927202007/https://www.nytim...

The title after the story turned out to be a hoax:

Update: Virginia Girl Recants Story of Assault, and Family Apologizes - https://web.archive.org/web/20191001003852/https://www.nytim...

NY Times title after an islamic terrorist beheaded a teacher near Paris: French Police Shoot and Kill Man After a Fatal Knife Attack on the Street - https://web.archive.org/web/20201016193107/https://www.nytim...

When Trump did not penalize the Saudis after the Khashoggi killing, the Times said Trump’s decision was “a stark distillation of the Trump worldview: remorselessly transactional, heedless of the facts, determined to put America’s interests first, and founded on a theory of moral equivalence.” - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/world/middleeast/trump-sa...

When Biden did the same: "For Mr. Biden, the decision was a telling indication of how his more cautious instincts kicked in, as the responsibilities of managing a difficult ally led him to find ways other than going directly after Prince Mohammed to make Saudi Arabia pay a price." - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/26/us/politics/biden-mbs-kha...

When the muslim immigrant Ahmad Al Alawi Alissa killed 10 people in Boulder, Colorado, the shooter is referred to as a "gunman whose motives remain a mystery":

‘I Know She’s Gone, but Why?’: Love and Loss at a Boulder Grocery Store - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/09/us/colorado-shooting-fune...

Gunman Kills 10 in Grocery Store - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shoot...

One of the few stories by the Times that identifies the mass killer is titled "An Immigrant Family Caught Up in a Distinctly American Tragedy" - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/27/us/boulder-gunman-alissa....

But they're not shy about leading with race when white women do.. something: "How White Women Use Themselves as Instruments of Terror" - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/racism-white-wome...

The above examples don't include stories the Times simply decide not to cover. Besides schoolyard scuffles where the attacker and victim are anything other than white and minority, respectively, it includes news such as "Sweden rape: Most convicted attackers foreign-born, says [state] TV" - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764


Fake headline, he wasn't arrested for saying that.

Article details: he was suspended for saying that, would be allowed to return if he recanted, then went back to school anyway without recanting, the school was Catholic but publicly funded, he was arrested for trespassing for returning without permission.

I'm not commenting at all on the political aspects, but fake headlines are inappropriate at HN.


The suit is even more interesting:

> Without any meaningful investigation, or any involvement whatsoever by the school's Review Board, SFHS's president, Jason Curtis, publicly confirmed to reporters that the Photograph depicted the boys in "blackface", and promised that they would face "serious consequences"

> Directly below the Photograph of Plantiffs, Ms. Labana included text that read ..."kids participating in black face and thinking that this is all a joke"

> During the protest march, Ms Labana made public demands for the boys' explusions from SFHS

https://www.mv-voice.com/news/reports/1614639661.pdf

I think Ms Labana is in for a rude awakening if this goes to trial. Ms Labana wasn't a student, she was a parent of a student. A grown ass adult. Reading through the rest of the suit, she behaves like a petulant fascist. Can't wait to see how her employer reacts - a taste of her own medicine.


The school put out a statement that implied that this wasn't an isolated incident.

Why is a school even getting involved, even if some business in town was being racist? Schools are for educating students and keeping them safe on campus.


Not so fast. The comment by a student saying that he scared them is also mentioned in the article.

I checked their story[1] on the incident you mentioned, and the first paragraph is:

>Interviews and additional video footage have offered a fuller picture of what happened in this encounter, including the context that the Native American man approached the students amid broader tensions outside the Lincoln Memorial.

and then a link to an article from the very next day[2] explaining what happened in fuller detail after more videos came out.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/19/us/covington-catholic-hig... [2]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/20/us/nathan-phillips-coving...


> The student, who CNN Business spoke to with the permission of his parents and has agreed not to name as he is a minor

(half a page down)

[Picture of the student in his school]


Article details: he was suspended for saying that, was told that he would be "allowed to return if he recanted" - then went back to school without recanting and got arrested for trespassing.

The school is Catholic but publicly funded, he was arrested specifically for trespassing for "returning without permission".

This is a real life thing that happened, not fake news, not a fake headline, and no reason to flag or censor. Not at all my intention to mislead anyone.

I do not believe it is appropriate to simply hide this because it is inconvenient to ones politics. It needs to be discussed.

Banishing children from high school for wrong think is to me, outrageous. Suppressing mention of it is out right dystopian. Do not do this.


But it is juvenile hijinks, and did turn out to be patently false.

> The NY Times headline includes relevant details to inform the reader.

Lets see which details were no longer relevant once the story turned out to be false, and the Times (to their credit, unlike the Mail) changed the headline to reflect that:

Update: Virginia Girl Recants Story of Assault, and Family Apologizes - https://web.archive.org/web/20191001003852/https://www.nytim...


You're debating that he was at an airport? Or that he didn't keep the thing in his backpack?

Both of those were reported by the school itself. And the tweet came from a reporter at the CNN.

I'll grant that CNN isn't the best, and has had issues, but for the purposes of this convo, I don't know how that is relevant (it's not like anything you or I say is going to matter to anyone anyway).


> He accused the students of "feeling emotion"

Hey I know someone who goes to that school, interesting. He was telling me about this incident before

Malichi and an independent teacher both corroborated that there was someone shouting racial slurs, so by taking this side that actually the school is only going after the abusive screen names, are you saying that there were two separate people Zoom bombing this class, Malichi and someone else?

The school clearly knows they can't go after him for the racial slurs because he was on camera that whole time, so they chose not to focus on that. But it doesn't mean it didn't happen.


A student reporter once left a mic with my ma. She posted on Reddit hoping to find them. She still talks about the horrible replies she got. I really cannot fathom what's wrong with those people.

> (turns out he had muscled his way into their gathering and was physically intimidating them, but the press ran with a selectively edited video and didn't bother corroborating it)

Looks like you're running with what their PR firm says[1].

[1] https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2019/01/21/...


This happen in my school in Ireland also - with false credentials.

This part of the story I really respect:

"Under Kansas law, high school journalists are protected from administrative censorship. “The kids are treated as professionals,” Smith said. But with that freedom came a major responsibility to get the story right, Smith said. It also meant overcoming a natural hesitancy many students have to question authority."

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