TBH, so is iOS if you start actually worrying about services running on the device that may not be necessary or helpful, but iOS just doesn't tell a regular user they exist.
> You have to do all sorts of acrobatics with testing devices...
A problem completely unheard of in Android land.
Ok, so maybe you can find a few situations in which Android might be a better solution that iOS. Congratulations. Android for the win. But there are many, many craptons of successful iOS apps out there that might like to be able to use services running on e.g. Linux. The existence of useful roles for Android devices won't make those go away.
> In fact, you actually struggle and waste more time on ios
This hasn't been my experience
> Stock Android is just as mature and capable as ios
It's fine, but everything is just (imo) a little bit less cohesive and polished, and then there's the Google spyware, a shorter lifetime of updates, etc. And then if you aren't going off the beaten path and customizing stuff anyway, what are you actually gaining in exchange for those downsides?
There are no redeeming qualities for Android. From a sloppy, disjointed user experience to an incredibly shady app store, Android doesn't compare to iOS.
That's not to say iOS doesn't have issues. It certainly does, but in terms of comparability it's not even a contest.
Luckily for Android many people really don't care about design.
Compare apples to apples - Samsung and their Android version are a mess. Most vendors do the same because they can and to differentiate themselves and earn extra money ( like having Facebook crap preinstalled). Android would have never worked if it weren't so open in the first place, and at least the workarounds are well documented and you can usually flash with LineageOS or something; it doesn't help your average Joe, but each manufacturer having their own custom OS with the same crap wouldn't have helped him either.
> I am consistently blown away at the level of garbage Android users are expected to deal with on a regular basis.
My girlfriend uses an iPhone; I am consistently blown away by the amount of garbage she's expected to deal with on a regular basis. When she changes to another app, our video chats go dark; there's no Termux or GNURoot equivalent (that I'm aware of); tapping doesn't move the cursor but instead selects words (I think that's it); the mail app is hellaciously bad; she's stuck using Safari and seeing ads. So, so many ads. Ads everywhere. I never see ads on my phone, but on hers the Internet is nothing but ads as far as the eye can see.
The sad fact is that the mobile phone ecosystem in general is full of garbage. Neither Android nor iOS is exempt. But at least with Android I have freedom.
> How many times with an iPhone have I been expected to install a custom OS to get around a user-hostile feature like I saw about fifty times in the 1 billion outdated androids thread? Zero times.
That's because with an iPhone there are no custom OSes and you're stuck with Apple's user-hostile features.
> Also, personally, after 6 months of iOS I am itching to get back to Android. Why? The notification system SUCKS on iOS compared to Android. It’s impossible to move files between apps. Hard to get any work done on it. Beautiful hardware though!
I felt this so hard! Switched to iOS a few months ago after 14 years of Android (OG G1 user) due to privacy concerns and the lack of a small phone on Android.
iOS applications are almost universally better than their Android counterparts, but when it comes to the OS itself Android is light years ahead of iOS in terms of usability, convenience, and features. The iOS keyboard is such a steaming pile of bull dung compared to Android, and then there's call screening, notification actions, copy history, inter-application shareability, webview->browser state sharing, etc...
> Android constantly asks how to complete simple actions. "oh, you want to view a website? what app should I use". Over. and. Over. and. Over. nonstop. all the time.
Wrong
> I can control every aspect of that, as a user, on my iphone. I can say "hey, you can't read my contacts, but you can access network, just don't use push".
Wrong, you just can control what Apple let's you control
> Android lost to iOS. it's not user friendly.
Wrong
Funny, you're just the mirror of the one that posted the link
> What the comment says is that the third-party app ecosystem on Android is shitty. Which is not the same thing as saying that Android itself is shitty, or that Google’s apps are shitty.
Just that for various
A lot of Android (and iOS for that matter) first party apps are also shitty, so the provenance doesn't really matter.
> It could be the case, but if you find the apps you need and they’re excellent, how would you ever know what the other five million iOS fart generators and home-brew to-do list apps look like?
How is that any different compared to Android? I have found the apps that I need and are excellent, and I don't care about the rest.
> Android seems to be growing inferior to iOS in almost every way
Crazy statement. I have iPhone for work and it is horrible to use. I haven't met a single thing from UX point of view in iOS that is better than whatever is in Android. It's a complete downgrade IME.
> It is, if one of your highest use cases is “Parler we an app on my phone”
That is not my highest use case at all. I have an Apple Watch. An Android phone works very poorly/not at all with it. I have an iPad. An Android phone does not easily sync between them. I have a Mac laptop. An Android phone does not sync well between them.
I think the UI on the iPhone is much more intuitive. I can't get that on Android. There are a bunch of apps that are only available on iPhone. The iPhone has better apps for my kids.
I could keep going on, but my point is, there is a lot my iPhone can do that an Android can't, for me.
> If you are choosing the former it strongly suggests you don’t care as much about the latter.
It doesn't in any way suggest that.
> Being on a system that allows sideloading is a serious step down in security especially for the non technical majority.
I agree. So make it hard to do. Put it behind a set of options. Make me have to install a text file on a BSD machine and then sync my phone to enable it. Just make it possible and let me assume the risk.
> Relying on Apple hardware for a product will likely fuck you over sooner or later
The company I work for feels exactly the opposite, we develop a SAAS POS solution that only runs on iPad. It's a lot easier, because we have a consistent environment, everyone runs almost the same hardware, and the same OS version, unlike Android, where everyone runs different versions of android and different hardware.
Relying on Apple may fuck us over in the future, but Android would be fucking us from the start.
> No they can't. They need to pass the CTS and VTS.
Well then, the CTS and VTS are so weak they are useless then.
> When was the last time you saw an Android phone? 2008? Name those WinXP themed OEM skins.
Have you worked with Samsung or a no-name Chinese brand? There's plenty of errors arising from bad ROMs customising low-level stuff they should not do.
> Considering all of the bugs and security issues iOS has had I would have to give that award to iOS.
At least iOS fixes them and they can update their devices.
> Not only do Android apps look better, but they also take up considerably less space than their bloated iOS counterparts.
That's only for the top-notch part of the Store, the rest is just a dimension below iOS in term of usability (and I say this using only Android). The reason being that you need more dev time to have the same result on Android compared to iOS.
> Why can't anyone else create a true competitor to iOS and iPhone that is as open as Android?
What is it about Android and Android devices that sucks? Does this apply to all Android devices? For example Samsung and Pixel phones get regular updates but the others don't.
TBH, so is iOS if you start actually worrying about services running on the device that may not be necessary or helpful, but iOS just doesn't tell a regular user they exist.
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