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> 10x the median income just isn’t that much. If you have three kids

You are taking home (in California; approximately) net 7.4 times what people with three kids on the median income are taking home.

If you choose to live a median lifestyle, you can save 86% of your net income and therefore retire on it within 4 years.



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> The 40th percentile household income is $50k.

This mostly depends on where you live.


> given that $79,000 is pretty close to the median income,

It's not.

Median personal income (household figures reflect that households can have more than one income earner) is ~38k.


> but note that median household income after tax is about double (590k nok)

I think most people understand that if you add two people's median income, you'll end up with approx. the double. :)


> 150 grand is not a huge family income to support 2 adults and 3 kids

It's more than double the median household income.


> The median income is what, 30k?

A bit over 40K if you count everyone, and closer to 60K if you just count people working full time.


> median household income stats is like 60k

That's pretty much average for the US.


> The median household income is somewhere north of $60k.

The median personal income is about $36K [0], so $40K is about 10% more. The median full-time worker is about $50K. [1] Households frequently have more than one earner.

[0] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

[1] https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/industr... [XLSX]


>And remember, the U.S. median only gets about $54k in gross individual income

Actually that number is median -household- income, not individual income.


> If you make $300,000 a year in household income, you are making more than 98.9% of households in the US.

A national percentile calculation does not meaningfully apply when the source county is on either extreme end of the income spectrum.

In 94129, for example, 40% of households make over $200k and the average household income is $250k: https://www.incomebyzipcode.com/california/94129


> The middle class guy making $75k

If one person is making 75k they aren't middle class. 75k might not go very far with kids but I'm that case their spouse would also likely be working so the household income would be significantly higher than that.


>to Middle America with an average household income of $70K

1) median is a better metric to use than average for this sort of thing

2) an average of 70K with two incomes is not at all impressive. a single person making 6 figures is doing incredibly well, compared to the average household.


> is it really a fantastic income?

Just because it's less than a FAANG doesn't mean it's not a fantastic income. I make less than this, in a HCOL area, and I think I have a pretty fantastic income. $250k/yr is 3.3x the median household income in the US ($74,580 according to the 2022 Census).


> You can either work a middle-class job and not piss away every penny as fast it comes in

"Middle class", using the conventional definition of 67%-200% of median household income, is about $40k to $110k a year. The median within that range is about $65k. Let's say you pay about 25% in taxes, and manage to save 1/3 of what's left. That's about $16k/year, which means it would take that household an entire lifetime to save up a million dollars.


> only about $67k/year.

Which is >100k/year before tax which is well above median household earnings.


>Many families have two working professional adults and can almost double these numbers

It happens, but only if you have a loose definition of "many". If a family makes $531k, they are in the top 1%

https://dqydj.com/average-median-top-household-income-percen...


>Working backwords from after tax income, it is about 120K-140K a year median.

But your source says that the median family (aka household, so it factors in both earners) income for non-seniors is only $93k, and with kids it's only $105k? Where are you getting $120k-140k from? Households where both earners are high income professionals?


>If it is reasonable to survive on $51,200 then a family on $100k could reasonably be saving the balance $48,800 a year.

yep, it sure would be possible in theory. Although in practice I don't think that's how it is for most people.

Also in a range of 50 - 150k obviously you have to assume that 50k is in the poorest parts of the country, and of course there is nothing saying that only nuclear families or larger can be middle class so I guess, a young single guy could be middle class.

so let's say

https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/how-much-to...

California $111,206 $80,440

Tennessee $50,629 $56,071

In the case of Tennessee you might be earning enough at 50k a year to be ok, but it seems unlikely that in your region and class you will be getting the chance to invest in Amazon.

on edit: the money per year, first number middle class income in region, second number median income in region


> The typical American median household income is $51k.

The relevant number is "Amercian median house-owning household income"


> Move to a country where I can live off the 40k -> 60k a year an interest or whatnot.

You realize the median US household income is like $40k/ year right?

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