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Fair point, but it must be added that it can be valid only as long as one understands and accepts the risks and possible consequences (including the social factors), and doesn't spread it further to anyone without their full awareness and explicit consent.


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Allow what exactly? Consenting individuals to risk what they want to risk with each other?

The obvious caveat is that with people consent comes into the picture.

Then the issue is really risk, not consent.

Ah, I understand. I disagree with the analogy then. If the two consenting adults are not harming each other they can still be a liability to other people. Risk can be introduced indirectly even if no individual is directly harmed. How can you adjust your analogy to account for that?

If there is a consenting adult who wants to do it, why not? As long as they understand the risks and that success is incredibly unlikely.

Consent seems like a sufficient limiting principle.

Add to that, it's proper protocol to wait for consent before affecting other people.

Good faith here, but where were the absolutes? I said that if everyone knows and everyone consents then it’s okay. That’s not really absolute, that’s precisely qualified. Is there a culture in which everyone could both know about it and consent to it and it would still be morally wrong?

It is. The consent has to be explicit and informed.

I don't think they are valid in most jurisdictions, explicit consent is required.

Sure. The requirement of consent is still not necessarily always ethical.

Yeah, you can put rules around consent but society will make up it's own "expectations and societal pressures".

This seems like a fair point. It's often argued when discussing sex that legitimate consent can't be given by someone at a significant power disadvantage. Employee vs. boss, model vs. talent scout, legal-aged student vs. lecturer. Surely the same should apply for any other intrusion?

I find this statement a bit too generic. Should society allow everything happening between consenting adults?

only thing that actually speaks against it is being associated with [godwin's law]. As far as everyone involved is consenting this shouldn't be an issue.

It's not exactly without consent

Even if I don't consent to this, it is sufficient that some of my relatives do so to expose information about me. Thus individuals should not even be allowed to give such general consent, as they cannot possible give consent only for themselves.

Self- or consensual "harm" should be excluded from anybody else's business. Most sexual activity fits under this category. It's not a difficult problem.

I did mention the need for consent quite explicitly. Which part of it 'isn't true'.
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