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I don't know that this post is the place to shift a discussion about a women's experiences to that of men.


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I am going to guess that there aren't any women in this thread..

Probably people who don't believe men can experience these things allied with people who believe men can experience them but see it as un-manning them. Humans are weird.

Have an upvote.


It is a wildly different experience if you are male vs female.

May be because you are not a woman

The likelihood is that you’re failing to imagine the female experience in this case. That’s far more to the point.

I know it seems strange, but there may actually be women here too.

It seems impossible to come to this conclusion if you've never been a woman.

Is your experience that of a woman? If not, you really have no idea whether it's overblown or not.

I'm going to throw out a wild theory here: you're not a woman, are you?

You don't think there's another reason why women are not telling you about their experiences?

This may be a dumb question, but I'm assuming this is a women-only community?

This is why I said I want to hear from women, not men. Obviously one of you will show up hah.

I'm ... not sure what to make of this. I'm not a woman, so not qualified to comment as such, but I can say without question that I've had to struggle through many similar issues, just take sex out of the picture - everything from watching classmates apparently breeze through classes that I've had to take four times to wondering if my career success is just because I'm a white American male.

Edit: I took a risk saying something like this, and have some karma to burn, but please, if you downvote, at least say why.


Women don't like this.

No, I don't think you are the only one. My personal take is that the OP meant no such thing.

I think she's just saying that women bring different approaches, and those different approaches can be useful.


I know my comment will be deemed unsubstantive but I have to say: as a man I felt identified in that text, all women I've been with were like that. That's why the idea of consent feels so alien to me: it goes against my very experience with the (different) women I've been with.

Can't speak for women, but I don't feel particularly "erased". Or normal. On whose behalf, precisely, do you imagine yourself usefully intervening in this way?

I repeat that I don't know what you're talking about and it doesn't reflect my experience with women. Do you have sources or something?

The fact that your partner does not report having that experience does not literally mean that she has not had that experience. There are several possible reasons for this, and I do not want you to think I am passing judgement, but your statement is not convincing on its own.

I have watched this happen to women who were oblivious - who behave as though men stealing women's ideas is the proper way of reality, and yet they will loudly voice an objection when a woman does the same.

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