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Yes, that is what they are, but a generalization of a thing is not the same as the specific thing, and in this case the generalization already had other names (since it has been around for many decades in many other languages). It would have been preferable to use one of the existing names instead of adding a new one and thereby complicating the story.


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The word for that is "generalizes" or "generalization" and it has existed for a very long time.

I think generalization would have been a better word but everyone understands what they meant

Maybe there doing something we don’t really have a name for yet ? This is why it causes so much controversy.

Not really generalizing, not memorizing, maybe approximating ?


Well, sure... But I wonder if such a specific name is more confusing than useful because the analogy is off in so many ways.

That's a reasonable generalization, but certainly isn't the original form.

Exactly! Almost nothing in the naming based on something with a very precise definition.

It's the unruly mind coming up with generalised words.


Yes, but the expansion of the term somewhat dilutes and transforms the original meaning of the term and its original context and usefulness. Similar to what is being done here.

I thought it is more about recognising that they are talking about a different thing they have to name instead of adding additional qualities to it.

It seems to me a sum should be at least as large as each of its summands (or rather, it once did). The world paid no heed, and life trudged on. I don't see a need to pick one particular archetypal trait or another and say the word "derivative" (or any other bit of mathematical jargon) mustn't ever be extended by analogy to a situation no longer directly manifesting that trait. A web of family resemblances doesn't depend on any one fiber running through all of it.

It's not as though the similarity of terminology is chosen with intent to confuse; the intent is to illuminate. The name for the generalization is chosen to match its more familiar relative because it is often _useful_ to think in terms of the analogy, imperfect though it be. [It seems humans are such that we would never find our way to powerful abstractions without such overloading; the combinatorial explosion of names would be too great to comprehend.]


Yeah. If the new term conveys the actual meaning better than the old term, then why not invent a new term when dealing with the new people? We didn't always fully understand what X was when we coined X as the term for it; sometimes better names are possible. Why not start to use them?

Or, probably more often, a new term for the same old thing is not better, serves no useful purpose, and just confuses.


Generalize is seeing common principles, patterns, between disparate instances of a phenomena. It's a proper word for this.

No, not really. I'm not saying anything about what these things ought to have been called in a perfect world (though I think it actually fits pretty well). I'm observing that they've been called by this name for a while, so even if you can find an unambiguously better one, popularizing it may be hard.

Problem is they were more specific prefixes for quite a few people and that trumps everything.

Thank you for clarifying, I see where you are coming from! My background is in research and it is fairly common to extend / reuse an existing terminology, but I totally understand and accept your point of view.

The phrase "sweeping generalisation" comes to mind.

Yes, it's extremely strange that people are looking for new terminology because they've been using the existing, perfectly good, terminology incorrectly.

Yes, that's exactly what names like "coleslaw" or "de volaille" are. Unique names for things that should be parametrized instead.

Might be, I'm not sure about the history of the term, but that's what they're called now, anyway

Sure. At a minimum, it seems some folks find it entertaining to do so. That is a point. But naming them for the conventional purpose of indexing into cognitive clusters doesn't work, obviously.
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