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Like it or not, that increased car traffic delivers more utility.

You can't have a car free metropolis. That's a contradiction.



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Because cars in dense cities have far more disadvantages than benefits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfree_city#Effects

Cars are dumb for the many, not for you personally at this very moment. We can easily build carfree cities (by improving bike infrastructure and public transport), what is dumb is focusing on short-term benefits for one's personal comfort/safety.

I don't know one resident of a car-free city who regret the transition. Would you?


I guess having denser cities where cars aren't needed would help too.

You can't have a car-free metropolis, but you sure can have a metropolis where cars are used by much, much fewer people than is typical today.

You don't need high density to not need a car. Its totally possible to design cities where most people don't need cars that are not full of huge towers.

The idea that car-free or very limited car is only possible if you have absurd density is false.

Its totally possible to have nice suburbs that are totally walkable and don't require a car for 90% of the population.


One thing that helps is the increasing number of non-car roads (pedestrians and cyclists only). Obviously that's not very friendly to drivers, but a well designed city with good public transport really doesn't need cars in the city.

Cars don't scale. People get around in high density cities without cars just fine. It saves money and it's better for the environment, too.

Car-free is about dense urban centers, not transit between them. That's an entirely different problem (or potentially not a problem at all).

> the city is much easier to navigate by car.

Cities stop being "easy to navigate by car" when they have too many cars around. And car-congested streets are also very hostile to bikes and pedestrians, so it's very hard to correct the problem once it gets ingrained. So it makes sense to give the latter uses high priority, and keep car use as a rare exception.


> Car free infrastructure is about growth and quality of life in dense urban areas.

Not according to the article. It specifically talks about the Boston suburbs, for example.


You're missing the fact that more space allocated to roads and parking moves the things people actually want to do farther apart, increasing the need for more roads and parking.

People don't want to drive, they want to get to places. That's the actual demand that needs to be satisfied. Cars don't scale very well to do so. You can't realistically build roads in cities that can move the same number of people as a subway line. If you did you wouldn't have a city anymore, you'd have a parking lot with some buildings sprinkled across it.


Car free cities are great but you have to have a lot of problems solved for them to work . You need high density, lots of public services from libraries to pools all these need to be close. Public transport has to be safe so you have to actually enforce laws and arrest vagrants. Car free needs a lot of things to go right where car full cities can be pretty disfunctional

This was known when the metro NYC parkways and the triborough bridge were built in the 1930s.

More transportation capacity leads to more utilization. Given the choice, few people choose to live in an overcrowded city.

There's an inherent judgement here that cars are a net negative thing. IMO, that's a real 2d perspective.


You logic is completely backwards.

Dense housing doesn't result in traffic congestion. If more people live closer together there is more population density, but as long as they can access commercial areas easily then they can do their shopping and work and recreational tasks without cars. When you remove cars then you suddenly have much more living space because a car takes up a large amount of room to store and there must be extra space for commuters and visitors.

Are you seriously arguing that adding more space for cars makes cities less congested? For every one parking space you add you remove a large amount of useful space for other things.


> More space dedicated to non-car traffic means easier to get around without a car.

Not really. Car traffic shares its roads with buses, often bicycles. And the distances you need to cover don't get shorter if you remove roads or parking spaces.

> More housing units in areas currently taken up by parking means—theoretically, at least—less need to get around that large area on average if everything you need day-to-day is a short walk, cycle, bus or train ride away.

What assumptions does your "theory" base this claim on? That newly built houses will quickly fill with people working nearby? Perhaps they just like their small houses on the hills of LA and don't want to move to the busy center of the city.


I have no doubt that driving a car would be very convenient, but how would that choice affect my neighbors? Because car traffic in the stroads around here make our homes noisy, our air polluted and our streets unsafe for children to play and be independent.

It's inconceivable to me that my kids can't bike to school because of all the car traffic around it... caused by parents dropping off their kids to school. Cars increase the safety of the people inside them at the detriment of everybody else.

We can thankfully begin to hear the death rattles of car-dependent urban planning and our cities will be much better once it's behind us.


I don't think car-free cities are easily obtainable. I can't think of one that currently exists.

Even cities with world-class mass transit, e.g. Tokyo and London, are full of cars, and taxis are still a better option for some trips -- even though there are also surface trains, subways, and buses to choose from.

In those places, step 1 has already been solved: convince the population that mass transit is desirable and should be well funded. London even charges congestion fees for cars. But they still can't achieve car-free cities.


You seem very much in favour of cars, but also imagining that cities without cars would look much like cities with cars. Huge amounts of land are given over to roads and parking. Get rid of these and you have much denser cities without decreasing usable space per inhabitant.

If a city does not overbuild and reach high density beyond the capacity of infrastructure, then cars remain by far the best mode of transport. They are point to point, with no wait times, no schedules, no stops, with higher travel speeds, and can take you outside of the city core to other destinations. The time saved and ability to take people and things directly to any destination leads to a far richer life than we could live otherwise.

The negatives of cars seem exaggerated by articles like this and urbanist activists in general. I live in a city with mostly cars and don’t notice either the pollution or noise. Modern cars have very little pollution simply due to regulation, and I certainly don’t smell any pollution when I ride in bike lanes on busy streets. The noise is also pretty negligent unless you live right next to the highway, which most people don’t. Cars today are also incredibly safe, with only around 1 fatality per 100 million miles traveled, and provide far more utility back to society than this minor cost. Additionally with driver assistance technologies becoming standard, their safety will increase dramatically. Cars bring more communities together because neighborhoods are more accessible to each other.

These daily articles pushing an anti-car sentiment ultimately seem very one sided and childishly idealistic. For example this particular article doesn’t mention what the trade offs are in Slovenia. It claims residents adapted but has no data to establish if they are happy or unhappy with changes, if they are even the same residents as before, if living within a 15 minute radius has limited their choices, if how they spend time has changed for the worse, and so on. It similarly lacks data for those who live outside this core area but used to visit it regularly before the changes. It’s hard to draw any useful conclusion from such a simplistic and biased take.


> Our vision is to build the first car-free city in the US

What if I like my car, and the ability to easily travel outside the city limits that comes along with it?

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