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> someone named christel somehow sold you an IRC network 5 years ago, unbeknownst (until recently) to the people operating the IRC network on their own servers.

This is false [1]. The PDF clarifies a great many of the unanswered questions and verified that despite former staff attempt to say I was lying, all I did was spoke the truth and helped when asked.

Please review the PDF.

Lastly, I also run servers on freenode and have for years preceding the acquisition.

The PDF puts to rest all the falsehoods and uncertainties in my opinion but please let me know if there is something I missed!

[1] https://freenode.net/news/pia-fn



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> But how do I trust them enough to know that he's telling the truth?

You can go on their behaviour in the past. In 2003, Belkin sold a router that would occasionally throw away the response to http requests, and replace them with an advert for a Belkin product -- http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.email/ms...

More details here: http://67.43.12.89/~cabalama/weblog/art_49.html and here: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/11/0031204

I think Belkin are lying. Deceit is part of their corporate culture.


> You either have to trust the server operator not to keep logs

You don't have to trust, you can verify. This has been proven in court: https://signal.org/bigbrother/eastern-virginia-grand-jury/


There's no lack of transparency here. Linode expressly said in their blog post that no CC details were leaked.

> In addition, we have found no evidence that payment information of any customer was accessed.

The question isn't transparency, but trustworthiness. Either Linode is telling the truth, and this anonymous IRC person with a pastebin is trolling everyone, or Linode is lying (or alternatively, Linode is incompetent and simply didn't detect the CC access). At the moment I'm going with Linode is telling the truth, because honestly, am I going to believe an anonymous person on IRC over a company I do business with?


> Your link supports the claim instead of debunking it.

The claim was that they "printed" money. They didn't!


I agree that people should read the linked comments. I did not find the the evidence to be as clear cut or damning as OP seems to think at all after reading through it. Most claims are also put forward by a co founder of Private Internet Access. A direct competitor.

That is an allegation that they strenuously deny. https://thewirecutter.com/our-response-to-nextdesk/

It's a flat lie as well.

He doesn't know, and can't know, everyone commenting to HN. At best hes fabricating. I was going to top post that but checked first to see if anyone had surfaced that line.

The auditor is an idiot and feels cornered.

Also: "I'm going to assume you do not have PCI installed on your servers".

PCI is an auditing standard. Not something "you have installed on your servers".

And I guess I'm getting too far ahead of myself, because the OP comments on this in his serverfault posting.

Classic! "PCI SSC have responded and are investigating him and the company. "

I'd say samarudge did a bang-on job here.


>That's an outright lie. cf. http://opalang.org

While I agree with you wrt to there being other examples, and the original claim was wrong/false, it could be considered presumptuous to label this as 'an outright lie'.

Most people I know, and the internets, seem to agree that lying requires: intent to deceive.

Having chatted with Matt DeBergalis online and in person on occasion, he comes across rather honest in my admittedly subjective opinion (although welcome to hear contrary info). So if we accept that, then it seems unlikely he would intentionally allow the team to spread falsehood knowingly (especially if it's so easily refuted).

FWIW, I think Meteor is cool for certain camps and projects, but I also really like the 'pick and choose' NPM-friendly style of node development (in fact my personal preference at the moment is for an open modular ecosystem vs a monolithic framework with plenty of magic), so it's not like I have any particular emotional investment in saying this, other than to correct the record.

So in conclusion, this does not seem like a totally fair assessment of the author.

(And yes I realized you mentioned no-one by name, but a project website cannot 'lie'. At the end of the day, a person was still responsible for writing those words).


>I can't help it that you don't show any proof

I posted the source here 3 times. Not my fault you don't read it.

>and clearly were not involved.

Did nearly a decade in the semi industry in Europe with stints in Israel, Singapore and the US.

But you keep taking the blue pill and believe whatever you want to believe, I don't have time to convince random nay-sayers online and I'm not doxing myself to win an argument with a troll.


You can find Proton's response to these false allegations here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...

But the company said, "We don't believe that they were in our network,"

They wouldn’t say that if they weren’t 100% certain right? /s


I read that when it was posted, but I don't follow - what part of that evidence indicates that Libera.chat is untrustworthy or unworthy of support?

Is there any solid proof that all of the links you shared were actually done by the employee who contacted Cryptome? It seems the pastebin could have been done by anyone, I don't see anything linking these accounts to the individual cited in the Cryptome page.

Edit: Not saying that the Cryptome article is/isn't real, I'm just curious if there's proof of past bad mouthing and mental instability


I briefly looked for other information about this and I found this thread on the tor-talk mailing list. The thread mentions he contacted the torservers.net team for a recommendation about a lawyer. The thread also mentions someone is going to provide better proof soon.

https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2012-Novembe...


This is a false accusation made in incredibly bad faith. I don't know whether you're suffering paranoid ideation or what's going on, but someone sharing links to a tech they're discussing (which I edited out after your previous accusation that you deleted, in a failed attempt to keep the peace) is hardly evidence that I'm a founder of said company engaged in underhanded promotion. The mods can check my IP address and see I'm in a different country to the founders if they really wish (not that that would put your mind to rest, you'll probably just think I'm using a VPN).

It's a rather elaborate scheme that you're accusing me of: make a HN account, spend hours writing 20 posts, all to plug my startup in some comment that nobody will read. Think through the plausibility of that one.


Yes, this is a substantially more detailed article than the original tech review link - it actually details what the claimed deception is.

[name redacted] from Palo Alto, CA- I just checked out your LinkedIn and this is a for-profit business. You are lying here.

Both Mozilla and the European Commission have looked into the accusations being made on anonymous websites, and determined that they are false. The EU in particular, has access to records which allow independent verification.

There is also an abundance of public record which demonstrates this is false. The bad faith of those spreading this information is also apparent from the hundreds of fake Twitter accounts used to spread the rumors.

If you are acting in good faith, then we ask that you also take a moment to verify your facts and discover the truth, much of which can be found here: https://protonvpn.com/blog/is-protonvpn-trustworthy/


Err the TC article...

"Despite my attempts to corroborate it and the subsequent detail I’ve been able to gather, I still don’t have enough information to determine whether it is absolutely true. But I still don’t have enough information to determine that it is absolutely false either."

Is his last word on the matter. Essentially he is saying they have denied it but his "rumor" may even still be true.

That smacks of a lie somewhere along the line to me (and as it is my job to find lies I suspect it is the case). :)

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/20/did-lastfm-just-hand-ov...

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