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>>> based on an analysis of all the publicly available data This aim is not as ambitious as it sounds, because there is not a great deal of data publicly available.

Amusing and revealing at the same time. Bet they did not take long to agree on that senrence



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>Not a whole lot of thought went into the validity of the data or its analysis.

They may not be able to analyze the data themselves, but there are third party companies which have the expertise to make something of that data.


> Why are stats like that not shared? That seems like very valuable information.

Because it's only 163, and data of an unknown quality.


> Not saying its a bad idea, but I'm still struggling to see the full logic of it.

You don't have to see the full logic of it! There's data collected and analyzed by people who have studied the problem!


> I agree, but at least the data is out there.

Not in every country...


>In addition to refusing to collect more data than it needs

Maybe it's not a very good time to bring that up, as soon there will be little left to brag about in this regard.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15071492


> If you are trying to trick somebody with your data, never share the raw data; only share the conclusions. Bonus points if you can't share the data because it is somehow priviledged or a trade secret. The last thing you want is to allow other people to evaluate your analysis and possibly challenge your conclusions.

Of course, I'm not against sharing data. However, the satire here is slightly too optimistic that people, when given raw data, will attempt to verify it for themselves. When people are given plain narrative text, they can still be profoundly influenced by a skewed headline -- something which everyone here may not ever be familiar with :)

I guess I'm being curmudgeonly about this...We should all share the data behind our conclusions, but don't think that by doing so -- and an absence of outside observations -- that you were correct. Most people just don't have time to read beyond the summary, nevermind work with data.


> it's hard to find enough clear data to take a side.

It's really not.


> presumably

that's the whole point. everyone seem to presume, nobody seems to bring data. few special cases here, few special cases there.


>That being said, the biggest short-term practical consequence of this will be a stream of disturbed pseudo-scientists "discovering" things in the data.

So? Those guys have been doing that for ages already. OTOH, don't be surprised if some actual discoveries/improvements happen now, given more open access to the data.


> Isn’t the goal

I understand it was, on the contrary, to represent the available data - to give it a synthetic description.


> FWIW: Anytime you see a shocking datapoint bouncing around in the news, it got there because one person actually looked at the data ONE TIME.

> But there's no guarantee OP actually knew what it means! And the folks repeating it definitely don't know. : /

I wish everyone took this to heart.


> The fact is, most people aren't qualified to interpret the data.

so what if most people isn't qualified? Data is data, and can be used - even for crackpots who wants to use it. If these crackpots publishes something wrong, i m sure they'd be pointed out and either ignored or shunned by the publisher(s) anyway.


> , few people have the time or want to make the effort to comb through and analyze original sources.

I mean, unless it's your profession, you're not. At best, you're reading an article (with summarized data that you hope was aggregated correctly) in a journal. To the best of my knowledge, the raw datasets that those are based on are rarely shared.


> You can quote a million papers from your cursory Google Books search

Still better data than the literally nothing that you brought to the discussion so far.


> i think it can probably be summed up with the sentence

Hmm ... for anyone reading it, the article covers a lot more than the specifications for selling your dataset.


>well no one can say. //

P&G must have the most and best data on the planet. By now they can probably say with a pretty high confidence interval.


> It sometimes seems the more data we have the more gloom and doom we get.

Ignorance really is bliss isn't it?


> No, all the choices have already been made. The data have already been destroyed

You don't know that. You'd need an investigation to conclude that. Using it as an excuse not to investigate seems like assuming the conclusion.

Even if some data have been destroyed, it doesn't follow that every last piece of data everywhere has. Who knows what might turn out to be significant? There may well be relevant data in many countries, too, since the research was international.


> I don't know, most of the metrics seemed unsurprising. Was there anything you found surprising in these datasets?

Nope, thought it was interesting data worth sharing, even just the fact it exists.

Some of the Fast Facts are mildly interesting: https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/fast-facts.html

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