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Looks like there's a mirror channel ##ob-freenode-policy-feedback on Libera if you want to peek at the insane drama happening on freenode right now.


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Watching this from ##ob-freenode-policy-feedback on Libera, it relays the drama channel from freenode.

This is just an unbelievable move. Absolutely nuking the network for a completely nonsense reason. Reverse PR moves.


Recent and related:

Freenode ops take control of 700 channels - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628 - May 2021 (942 comments)

Freenode Exists for FOSS - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27283964 - May 2021 (22 comments)

Welcome to Libera Chat - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207734 - May 2021 (526 comments)

Leaving Freenode for a new network - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207440 - May 2021 (296 comments)

Freenode resignation is official, not a draft - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27205926 - May 2021 (16 comments)

The Freenode resignation FAQ, or: “what the fuck is going on?” - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27169301 - May 2021 (8 comments)

I am resigning along with most other Freenode staff - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27153338 - May 2021 (269 comments)


The drama is that whenever someone attempts to tell people that on Freenode, their channels get taken over and/or they get banned.

Every channel on Freenode that mentioned 'libera' in any capacity has been joined by a bot, had the topic renamed, ownership removed, all users deopped/unvoiced and all bans cleared.

Something that was against Freenode policy... until yesterday.

They also nuked private channels that were being used for Wikimedia and Wikipedia's editor communications.

https://pastebin.com/S2sDiiPE

Clown Prince wants to be a Dictator.


what happened on freenode recently? I see everyone leaving for libera.chat

Not renamed, but a number of Freenode channels and admins moved to libera.chat recently due to non-technical IRC drama / politics over "ownership".

The channels from his screenshot are on Freenode.

Was this on freenode? What channel?

That's not an accurate representation of the freenode situation: freenode was taken over, the old staff disagreed with the decisions of the new owner and left to create Libera.Chat, and then the new ownership started banning people and taking over channels for talking about Libera, changed the server software, effectively deleted the nickname database, and is producing really delusional messaging, such as https://freenode.com/news/introducing-irc .

#blender got hit too, tho interestingly enough, not any of the sub-channels (none of which had 'libera.chat' in the topic) were hit.

This seems like it is very bad timing on the part of freenode staff... with many communities already on the knife edge about switching, this is likely to push plenty of people over.


I have moved my channels to libera.chat:

https://sourcehut.org/blog/2021-05-19-liberachat/

I set up a bot which herds people on Freenode, shoot me a PM (ddevault) if you want me to /join it to your channel as well.


The Freenode channel has been changed to ##SICP

Freenode was “acquired” a while back, people were looking on it dubiously.

Then last week (or the week before) volunteer staff resigned en masse saying that the new owners were planning on taking control of the project’s direction. A number of projects using freenode for chat started looking at alternative just in case.

As GP notes, this looking around was done in the heat of all the resignation, but was not necessarily a done deal for all projects, after all nothing has changed yet.

Today, freenode highjacked / locked hundreds of channels mentioning libera (the alternative network set up by some of the resigning staff) out of nowhere, proving that the network most definitely could not be trusted anymore.


In case you missed it, last week the staff running freenode for 20 years were evicted by legal threats and the sudden change in how the network is run is because of new management.

The old staff are running https://libera.chat/


While I agree that Libera is New Freenode and Old Freenode is rapidly dying a death, this whole episode has soured me mightily against Freenode as a whole. This should never have happened in the first place and the blame for it lies squarely at the OldFreenode/Libera admin's feet, not whichever outside actor took advantage of it. The admins are an "old boys network" - not chosen by the community, or elected, but simply in-group appointment - and while Rasengan is certainly a loose cannon, I have seen enough chatlogs to note that "the admins" are not innocent of power-tripping and favoritism either.

If I were starting an IRC channel for a free software project now, I would put it on OFTC, which has a real governance model with elections and - mysteriously - also manages to be drama-free.


So much this. Yesterday I did a walk through the ~44 channels I frequent on FreeNode and came up with about 20ish that where moving to either OFTC or Libera. I left those channels, keeping ~24 channels that were not likely to move off of FreeNode.

Fast-forward today. All those channels are moving now, none left! Yesterday this could be considered a 55/45% split and had new FreeNode staff taken a win-trust-dont-rock-boat approach, I'm sure the network would've been fine.

Yesterday I was staying on FreeNode, because I don't really know the thinking behind all parties involved and could see the possible reasoning on both sides. Today I'm disconnected from FreeNode and on OFTC + Libera.


Pardon my ignorance, but what does it mean when your Freenode channel gets hijacked? As in the original admins does not have any control anymore?

Any channels in particular? I've seen mostly freenode mentioned everywhere.

Just a few days ago he popped into friend's Twitter thread about similarities between Freenode and Twitter situations, and announced that it was Libera Chat that conducted a hostile takeover against Freenode.

Somewhat I'm not surprised at all.

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