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Even if we eliminate coal, there's still too many people and too much consumption.


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The world has way, way more coal left than we can afford to burn.

It's not replacing coal. It's adding even more CO2 pollution, on top of coal.

Coal consumption is not going down.


You cannot "get rid" of coal when 70% of your energy comes from it and there's not enough renewable energy infrastructure.

Coal use in 2022 set a new record globally though. It is exemplary of how difficult this problem is.

I’m afraid it won’t be that easy to get rid of coal. Especially without help from nuclear.

Yes, 1.2 billion people need a lot of energy. India has another 1.3 billion. They’re going to need more power too. Coal?

I agree that 340 million Americans need to reduce emissions. Coal is now 20% of electricity. We seem to be waiting for renewables and batteries.

Globally, 40% of electricity comes from coal. At the end of the day, if we use all that coal for much longer, we are going to have a big problem


Burning more coal doesn't make the problem of sucking all the carbon out of the atmosphere any easier.

Global coal consumption is 8MT, same as 2012, whereas world population is 15% larger and also richer, it is absolutely on the decline as a percentage of primary energy. Coal is also unfortunately an essential resource for many impoverished countries, flying is a privilege that very few people can afford, and has a huge per-capita impact.

We should absolutely try to reduce coal usage as fast as possible, but it's more complicated. Stop coal today, and billions of people will die (the same people that would be impacted by climate change).

Also, it costs money, whereas taxing flyers makes money.


Producing the same amount of power using coal has even worse toll on the ecosystem.

Then how come we're still burning coal?

We are burning incredible amounts of coal 40 years after we started talking about climate change. I believe around 40% of global electricity is from coal.

We keep waiting for the windmills and batteries to solve the problem, while kicking the can down the road

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/03/more-tha...


Yes, coal is one of the biggest CO2 problems globally, and it has been for decades. Unfortunately, globally we are increasing its usage, well, because more people still need electricity

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas_emissions#/me...


Even if you ignore climate change (which is, frankly, irresponsible at this point), coal pollution alone kills something like a million people per year worldwide.

Coal use is still increasing globally.

I agree. How many more thousands of miners must be killed before we finally abolish coal as a fuel source?

Coal power is part of the problem in the first place.

Yes, this is true...and it's something I struggle with. On the one hand, I think it is clear that we need to stop using coal; depending upon a resource which replenishes at a geological time scale is categorically unsustainable, as is the mounting damage we are causing to the environment. On the other hand, I recognize that dropping coal will really hurt workers and their families. "The greater good" is irrelevant to someone who doesn't know how they're going to feed their children.

It would be heartless to just write these people off, but it is also unfair to future generations (and even our future selves) to continue mining and combusting coal as though we aren't aware of the consequences. Perhaps a solution would be to offer employment with the renewable energy industry to coal miners, and to give those who are unable to accept a livable wage constituting a significant portion (if not all) of their coal-era wages. This might require that assistance be provided in relocating, training, etc. Probably not cheap, but this could transition us off coal while treating the miners humanely.

Ultimately we have to get off coal. Denial of this fact tends to stem from one of two viewpoints:

1) Apathy, or the sense that this is a problem for a future generation. 2) The belief that the economy of energy will regulate itself correctly, and usage of coal will decline naturally as renewable energy becomes more economically attractive due to continued technological refinement.

The problem with number 1 is that the stakes are too high. Our health, our livelihood, our economy and our provision of food and water all depend on cheap, abundant energy; it is woven into the fabric of our lives. Even a modest reduction in energy availability due to supply constraints would be devastating. The problem with number 2 is that coal, as a natural resource, is subject to the tragedy of the commons[0]. The true cost of coal is far higher than what is accounted for in a simple economic model, and humans have shown themselves to be remarkably bad at estimating this accurately.

[0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons


Absolutely terrifying to see those large numbers. Fossil fuels are just too damn convenient to replace. Even if some places reduce their reliance on fossil fuels, other places will increase their consumption due to reduced prices. Coal use, the dirtiest of all, isn't declining!

I still hope at least coal will be largely priced out by cheaper options. I say hope because I still don't see it happening.


It's not a distraction. We're two decades away from replacing coal, we could've replaced it today. As always, we're putting off optimal solutions for some solution that might materialize in the future while we slowly wean ourselves off of the stuff that's destroying our habitat right now and having visible effects right now and from which tens, hundreds millions of people will visibly suffer in the coming decades from what we're doing right now (no, I don't mean the poor Bourgeoisie in France, I'm talking about everybody in Africa, South America, Asia, the Middle East). It's insanity.
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