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Continued escalation, eg no air travel from Europe to Russia, then the Russian people get covid-angry, etc.


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We can see the exact same process repeating in Russia right now. This could lead to consequences far worse than the recent pandemic.

How does this stop the next one? It’s not the first time Russia has done this — and they have done it in European countries.

If it happens I predict:

Lots of sanctions, fear, anger, and more economic troubles everywhere. Increased food and fuel costs.

Refugees flood out of Ukraine into nearby countries. Humanitarian crisis and calls for international aid / assistance.

More COVID outbreaks due to refugees and bad living conditions.

Other eastern European nations will be interested in joining NATO or some kind of security pact so the same thing does not happen to them.

In short, bad for everyone.


If it happens I predict: Lots of sanctions, fear, anger, and more economic troubles everywhere. Increased food and fuel costs.

Refugees flood out of Ukraine into nearby countries. Humanitarian crisis and calls for international aid / assistance.

More COVID outbreaks due to refugees and bad living conditions.

In short, bad for everyone.


By the same token though, a renewed pandemic in Russia could push them to a political and economic breaking point at a time when they're already stretched thin and vulnerable.

If they want to lash out, they have many other ways to do so that carry far lower risk of crippling blowback.

Covid showed that even strict border controls aren't sufficient to keep viruses out if they're contagious enough. No borders are 100% secure, and it only takes a single person getting through to light the match.


(gentle) Escalation till the point where Russia will have to give up or concede, something far bigger than Ukraine, from an region with an strategic resource to something digital, like encryption keys or forcing West backdoors in their systems.

That assumes that Putin will prefer to surrender and keep avoiding by all means falling into an end of the world scenario. At least while the push keeps being gentle.

Anyway, the situation is pretty fragile. There are more players in the game, from big economic players and tech companies to individuals that may, by a direct or a false flag operation, do something (like a hack attempt or destruction of system/information) that could trigger a big reaction from one of the sides.


There needs to be an escalation path. Sanctions should always be able to get worse, or else Russia would no longer have anything to lose, and Europe won't have anything left to threaten with. Once in that situation it would be a recipe for a hot war between NATO and Russia.

Lots of death and destruction in Ukraine. Human suffering and misery. A new refugee crisis because many Ukrainians, and probably Russians, will try to flee the conflict. I think that there won't be direct military intervention by other countries out of fear of escalation, but who knows. Certainly a lot of sanctions, and a lot of cold and exploding electricity bills ( Russian gas supplies will be cut off either by Russia for pressure or European countries as sanctions).

Also, the global oil and gas prices will increase, countries like Qatar will benefit from washing their image. Russia should be banned from Olympics and other sporting competitions ( the World cup comes to mind). And the stock market, especially in European countries, will dive a bit.


Take a look at Russias covid situation to see how this pathos plays out in the long run.

Crisis or not, no truth, no trust.


That would be seen as an act of war and would escalate things quicker than Russia thinks it can handle.

What a strange part of Putin's legacy.

I'm still hoping for de-escalation, but frankly it feels like we could easily have an incident that causes things to spiral out of control, a la the start of WWI.


Any action or reaction (including no reaction) could lead to MAD depending on how you see it. Russia has seen fit to escalate significantly despite basically no change in international posture towards Russia since 2014.

Economic actions can be reversed much more easily than military action. Sanctions and frozen accounts have an undo button. Dead people and destroyed cities cannot be undone.

I see economic action as the one most likely to have immediate effects internal to Russia that would undermine support for the war rather than bolster it.


Double secret probation probably.

All Russia can do is bark, continue the "we aren't doing" cyber/disinformation attack or start lobbing nukes.

#1 and #2 are business as usual, #3 is the end of civilisation.


No. Russia and Putin are not the reasons behind the world crisis. They are just a symptom.

But this is the ultimate scapegoat. COVID didn't succeed for the planned reset. This will do it. Surely.


How do you imagine that would work? Because it currently seems that the only way to de-escalate is to kill tens of thousands of Russian soldiers, and/or a coup and consequent total regime change in Russia.

But putting further stress on the countries opposing might help a cut-off Russia in the short term...

I mean they already have virtually no travel across their borders, and what happens in next few months is probably of greater urgency to them than later.


Is there any scenario from this point onwards, any at all that results in Russia coming out stronger once the smoke clears?

Because I can't see any.

Seems to me like the Russian govt are now in a situation where they have no choice but to see this thing through just to try and save face.


covid ends. russia war begins. putin to discuss ceasfire. credit suisse expose.

is there any connection between these events, or am i just taking the simulation hypothesis too seriously.


I've had the exact thought, it looks as if we are further descending into apocalyptic territory.

You have people capable of extreme destruction being cornered into an existential state, leaving them with very little rational options. This is when the irrational options starts appearing very rational..

True or not, what if this appears like a western backed coup to Putin and his inner circle. The kind of retaliations such an action would call for is unimaginable.

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