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HVDC saves on overnight batteries and is a hedge against weather and other factors.


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HVDC transmission is reasonably efficient.

HVDC transmission can help here as well.

HVDC has been around since the 30's. It's useful in some situations, but has a lot of tradeoffs.

Agreed on the HVDC lines. They end up reducing the cost of electricity too, because they let us use all of the really cheap wind on the plains, and sun from the southwest.

HVDC links are more efficient than terrestrial AC transmission lines over long distances.

Don’t forget long distance transmission in that mix: HVDC can be done with losses of only 3.5%/1000km, which makes it a cost/geopolitics issue for your night to be someone else’s day, your winter someone else’s summer.

A big part of Casey's calculations are the cost of batteries. Batteries are expensive, but not as expensive as HVDC lines.

And HVDC lines coupling areas far away from each other can help to deal with overcast and even offset some of the day/night cycle.

A large enough HVDC grid would almost totally eliminate the need for backup power. There's always wind or sun somewhere and HVDC transmission losses are <5% per 1,000mi. It's possible to build a grid where pumped and battery storage alone can smoothen out any fluctuations.

HVDC does have advantages in certain scenarios (very long transmission lines, for example) but parent is still correct--the majority of the grid makes way more sense with AC.

Solar/wind/battery/hvdc is more than capable to providing gigawatts of power, cheaper.

It is cheaper, and more and more solar, wind, batteries, and hvdc lines are built everyday.

yeah. HVDC is pretty interesting. Lots of great applications.

Existing HVDC technology can easily span the US with negligible losses (less than 10%).

HVDC lines work very well even if they are quite expensive.

And DC avoids problems caused by induced currents due to geomagnetic storms (you get a voltage shift, but that's no big deal, compared to what happens to transformers.)

Seems like hvdc would be great across hemispheres so summer solar can go to winter areas.

What about HVDC instead?

Last time I looked at this, antipodal HVDC was several (2? 3? Can't remember) orders of magnitude cheaper than batteries at the scale of continental electrical requirements; the limit is needing so much metal you become a dominant player in the world metal mining industry just for this project.
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