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On the ones that survive?

Survival of the survivors is comically tautological. Surely there is still something that survivors have in common that makes them the fittest, or non-survivors have in common that makes them the not-fittest.

Isn't that just survivor bias? Those people who survived when most people died were the ones who didn't do what most people did. But most of the time in life, most of the people survive and it is the few who don't.

Viability is tied to survivorship bias, I'd guess. If you didn't survive, you weren't viable.

Can you elaborate on why you think survivorship bias doesn’t apply here?

If you fall off a ship in the middle of the ocean you might survive and those survivors may have had strategies but we just don’t know if the people that died did not have the same strategies. Same goes for this list I’d think.


"The difference between the ones that make it and the ones that don't? They just keep going."

Survivorship bias anyone?


I guess they would use the word survivor to say that the person did not end up ending their stay on this earth.

Some survivor bias there, but an inspiring message: always continue as if you're going to survive. All the real survivors did that.

Devil's advocate: if you find a trait common to all the survivors, which those who died did not have, then you have found something that might be necessary to survive that far (though it may not be sufficient). Some organisms possess immunity to certain pathogens.

Of course you can't just expect to follow Pixar's bets (or Apple's, or Google's, or ...) and expect to win big. But understanding the way they played is important, if you're playing the game too.

(As you touch on too, tempering the natural tendency to give credit for success rather than chalking it up to chance is also important. But I can't believe that Jobs' success is survivorship bias alone.)


"Survive" is the one bit of advice that, by definition, is immune to survivorship bias.

Basically, Justin is saying "the ones that survived are the ones that survived". It's stating the painfully obvious, however it's a simple contrast to the normal "strategic" advice.

Paul Graham writes about this a lot:

http://paulgraham.com/aord.html

http://www.paulgraham.com/die.html

http://paulgraham.com/badeconomy.html


Eh. We still know about people who didn't survive.

Survivorship bias is when you are only seeing the successes.


It’s survivor bias in the same way humans have survived all of the various failed experiments of evolution.

I think it’s a question of progress vs profit. Though, I also think there needs to be a reasonably balance between the two.


And if you collapse, you will almost certainly die, unless you are, essentially, lucky: supplies, survival skills, clan, etc.

If the author is actually telling the truth, it is a classic survivor bias. Sure that will involve some useful stuff, but also it is survivor bias in the sense that they randomly survived and others did not, and they don't know what the others did or did not do to live.


Survivor bias. "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

Does "not surviving" generate a Non-Survivorship Bias ?

Survivorship? Is that the ship that survives? I just call it survivor bias. But then, that's just me. :D

Isn't that survivorship bias? There are plenty of people that required care-taking and died of exposure.

It seems there's a capacity limit to the safety net and if you go over it, starvation ensues.


Yeah, survival bias.

Kind of obvious but can it be simply a selection bias? The weakest died in the camps, the survivors would be the healthier, stronger, and therefore have a longer life expectancy than average.
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