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> DDG already includes Google (amongst others) in its results. It's not just a front end to Bing, like many assume (though I can't find DDG's article on the subject to directly cite).

Per DDG's own help pages, they use mostly Bing and no Google. (The mixture of over 400 sources that they claim is used to provide the infobox-type results, which they call "Instant Answers", not the regular search results)

> We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from multiple partners, though most commonly from Bing (and none from Google).

https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources/



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>first, ddg has only a single source of data. and it's Microsoft bing. yahoo doesn't have any search

Duckduckgo has a partnership with Yahoo

https://duck.co/help/company/yahoo-partnership

Wikipedia also states that DuckDuckGo returns search results using data from Yahoo among other providers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo

Edit: You can view all of DuckDuckGo's sources right here. Yahoo is included.

https://duck.co/help/results/sources


> It's all Bing and Oath

That statement isn't fully supported by the link you provided. It does however seem reasonable that DDG results are based in large part on Bing and Oath.

"In fact, DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from a variety of partners, including Oath (formerly Yahoo) and Bing."


> Isn't DDG based on Bing?

Some links from DDG are from Bing: https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so...


> DDG gathers the content they provide themselves.

You know that DDG mostly relies on Bing for their search index right?

https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources/?redir=1


>DDG is Bing

Eh? Maybe you are saying that because they serve ads from Bing?

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo :

>DuckDuckGo earns revenue by serving ads from the Yahoo-Bing search alliance network and through affiliate relationships with Amazon and eBay.

>In July 2016, DuckDuckGo officially announced the extension of its partnership with Yahoo! that brought new features to all users of the search engine, including date filtering of results and additional site links. It also partners with Bing, Yandex, and Wikipedia to produce results or make use of features offered. The company also confirmed that it does not share user information with partner companies, as has always been its policy.


> For search engines, it's not Bing versus Google, there are DuckDuckGo, YaCy and so on.

DDG is just a wrapper for Bing.


Those other sources are mostly used for special results such as "Instant Answers".

DDG's main search results mostly come from Bing, as the source for that Wikipedia statement reveals:

https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources/

> We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from multiple partners, though most commonly from Bing (and none from Google).

Anyone can see this for themselves by comparing a number of Bing and DDG searches.


>DDG is Bing

That contradicts what I find on Wikipedia.

DuckDuckGo's results are a compilation of "over 400" sources, including Yahoo! Search BOSS; Wikipedia; Wolfram Alpha; Bing; its own Web crawler (the DuckDuckBot); and others. It also uses data from crowdsourced sites, including Wikipedia, to populate "Zero-click Info" boxes – grey boxes above the results that display topic summaries and related topics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_Duck_Go


It is accurate to say DDG uses bing behind the scenes, but that is not its only source. They have their own crawler (DuckDuckBot[1]), and pull results from many sources[2].

1. https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/duckduc...

2. https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources...


DDG's statement on their sources is that they have over 400: https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources/?redir=1

But that is largely with respect to "answers" type responses, which they are not lifting from Bing. Search results come from partners "including" Oath/Yahoo and Bing. And I think Yahoo uses Bing. But I know that DDG uses Yandex sometimes as well, so there's probably a handful of potential sources they draw from for search.


> DDG does use Google search for a lot of things.

Source? They use Yahoo/Bing in the backend, but Google?


ddg doesn't just use bing, it uses a multitude of sources. http://help.duckduckgo.com/customer/portal/articles/216399-s...

> Source : "growth hacker, likes online marketing"

You need a better source, IMHO.

DDG themselves claim to use multiple sources, including Bing (but not including Google). I've seen DDG == Bing mentioned enough times that I'm inclined to believe they leverage it heavily, but it doesn't seem as unnuanced as just spitting out Bing API results 1:1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo#Overview


There's more to the services DDG offers than just private search via Bing. DDG has built its own technology around specific types of searches and queries. The main search product is powered by Bing, but it's not fair to say it's just "a Bing frontend".

https://duck.co/ia

https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/features/i...


From what I understand, DDG uses bing as a primary source, but they also pull data from numerous other sources, including their own crawler.

https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so...


Largely from != "a front-end for Bing" (with merely being strongly implied).

In addition to additional privacy and Instant answers content, DDG seems to source other Web search for SERP, including operating its own bot, DuckDuckBot.

https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/du...

The problem with your response above is that it is inaccurate, fails to acknowledge real value-add features[1] of DDG, as well as being dismissive and stale as originally noted.

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Notes:

1. I've addressed these numerous times, though quality, relevance, presentation, JS-free version, bash-function invocability, and additiinal features with time, as well as simply Not Being Google, are all major factors. Sampling: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22506360 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17430474 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22506360 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21623573 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20405146


> [Bing] now powers ... DuckDuckGo. You see, DDG is nothing more than a glorified UI over Bing's infrastructure.

Citation needed, as they claim they pull in from a number of sources, one of them including Bing. "A glorified UI over Bing" seems like a bit of a stretch, but if that's actually true, it would be good to know.



DDG uses Bing results (+ some tweaking) for their search results.

Per their description here: https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/company/ad...

They use Yahoo ad search syndication to put their own ads against them.

They also insert their own affiliate links onto results.

How is that materially different than what's happening here? That this company presumably doesn't have a backend search API agreement with Bing?

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