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oracle is probably already arming their lawyers. just setup a git, put a restrictive license, and scan any new github projects.


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As long as the Oracle parts are distributed under the GPL, Oracle can scream all they want and accomplish nothing.

GPL shields you from their legal dept.


Oracle could put this whole legal wrangling to rest by changing the license to GPL.

I am dreaming I suppose.


they used all the code in GitHub regardless of license. hope they avoided the Oracle code ;-)

If Oracle ever wants to be the good guys just once, I have an idea for them that's right in their wheelhouse. Step 1: buy grsecurity's kernel hardening patches. Step 2: put said patches in the publicly released UEK source. Step 3: wait for grsecurity to refuse to give them future patches. Step 4: sue grsecurity for imposing further restrictions on the exercise of rights granted by the GPL.

Sadly whatever open source work a person does while working for Oracle seems to be tainted by it:

It might be successful but if the name Oracle shows up I am scared.


Considering Oracle's two recent actions against open source projects, I'd suspect this is yet another move to minimize the amount of open source software under its control.

They're all Apache 2, which is about as permissively decoupled from the organization as it gets. Oracle could disappear tomorrow, delete all the repos, or begin charging $5,000/seat for this software, and nothing would happen. You could, literally, fork all three, rename them, and run off on your own projects and have a merry 'ole time.

In fact, everyone going after Oracle in this thread should do exactly that right now.


This is a very good point. Oracle (or any other platform owner) may not be suing you for license violations now, but give it time...

Maybe we should change the standard licences - GPL, MIT, etc. - to include a caveat "free to use without restriction... except by companies known as, or ever known as, Oracle Corporation"...

If Oracle wins the Open Source community should adopt a new license to punitively punish companies like Oracle who abuse this system.

We can adapt our license to allow anyone to use the API except if they're using API licensing themselves, at which point they would be in violation.


Except Oracle is not the danger here: the license incompatibility is about GPL, not CDDL. I don’t think Oracle is going to sue anyone for GPL violation. And if it does, it could do that without CDDL in the picture.

This article somehow implies a moral obligation on Oracle's behalf to either modify their licence or code to be gpl compliant. I sincerely hope they don't as the GPL brigade is getting louder in their intolerance of other licences.

I doubt that it's going to happen. People working with Oracle are generally not the kind that would start Open Source projects. If they are, also generally, they won't work with Oracle for long.

If it becomes a problem it will be too late to not pay Oracle huge fees/fines for using it against the license. Oracle is known for their license enforcement, it might even bankrupt your company.

I wouldn't touch this with a ten-foot-pole without an explicit patent grant. Oracle has misbehaved too much in the past (and present) to ever be trusted again by the open source community in my opinion.

Oracle has not actually done anything yet. Its the lack of believe in the license.

It's honestly pretty difficult to take an Oracle lawyer's word on what would be good or bad for open source or free software.

Imagine all GPL software required the licensee to never enforce API copyright, and if they ever enforced API copyright (over unrelated code), their license to the GPL code was null and void. Then Oracle can't run Linux.

They would need buy-in from all of the maintainers/contributors for that to happen. And there are a lot of them.

I'm seeing 2466 unique maintainers (curl -s 'https://raw.githubusercontent.com/torvalds/linux/master/MAIN... | grep -P "M:\t" | uniq | wc -l), and only 10 of them with @oracle.com emails. They're the 11th biggest contributor by company.

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