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To people like the commenter it's much better if everyone is suffering than if some people aren't and some are.


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On the contrary: fewer people suffer, but they suffer much much more. And there's still a ton of them regardless.

How is it benefiting the people suffering?

It is not a competition to see who can suffer worst and longest, and all those who cannot win should be happy with their lot.

Generally, it's a good idea to aim for improving quality of life for everyone, overall, not reducing things such that everyone is merely slightly less miserable than the worst possible misery.


Because people are suffering and its the right thing to do.

Well, it is an issue that we are more likely to care when someone suffers, these days. That increases human suffering all by itself.

Just because other people suffer even worse doesn't mean we can't acknowledge the suffering of these people and see it as a bad thing.

"I am very much enjoying the self-inflected suffering"

This seems like something that would be very bad if applied to everyone. Perhaps I'd get hate for saying this in 2021, but I'd prefer a society where no one enjoys anyone else's suffering, no matter how much they dislike that person or feel that they 'deserved' it. I want a world with less suffering for everyone, not more.


If you got less people there is still no guarantee less percentage of people are gonna be suffering.

Feeling bad because more people are in your view is “suffering” is all in your head.


Because suffering is suffering. If we distinguish suffering of good people from bad people then we have to expand this to a spectrum, the best people suffering is the worse, and worse people suffering is the best. But then it's all just relative, who is good, who is bad is your opinion. Most rational people would consider their own suffering to be the worse.

Because they suffer more. Suffering is good. Without it, we tend to fall apart. With it, we tend to get better.

That's incorrect. A reduction in suffering is preferable even if it doesn't result in the absence of it.

Well less suffering at least.

But it doesn't happen because of people like you


Suffering isn't a competition and you live your own pain. Worse doesn't matter. We should all be there for each other and nobody should be left behind but there are too many selfish people who try and justify that selfishness to make it logical or unavoidable. It's a hard thing to experience when you realize the people and systems and ideas you trusted were lies and that many people live in denial of that for their own mental comforts. It's like a kind finding out there is no Santa Claus x1000.

No problem for those people to suffer then

Ignoring suffering is much easier than relieving it.

Caring about others isn't fun.


The counterargument to "this is not the best of all possible worlds" from the perspectives of the people experiencing it (the world) would be to show that every single person experiencing suffering believes it to be "best." That there is no better outcome than that they suffer.

This seems unlikely to be true.


This feels like the same logic as "I had to pay off my student loans, so other people should have to suffer like that too." Suffering does not make you better later despite what millennia of Christian theology has told people about its supposed purgative effects. It seems pretty rad to me to be able to just not suffer through the bad part of getting over a major life problem, and I for one am happy that people will be able to skip that part and get on to the part where they live well.

They're not suffering though. And they're choosing it. That's my point. You seem to be projecting your own bias here.

Or, you know, people don't consider it "suffering", but "doing what's better". How about that?

If a parent demands that a kid eats his veggies instead of the "burgers and ice cream" the kind wants, it's not necessarily suffering.

Or if you still consider it suffering, it's not like all suffering is valid and should be respected.

It's very easy to make everyone happy, giving them whatever they want all the time, doesn't mean its best for them. Not even if they're adults. Not only what someone wants might be bad for them, but what someone wants might also be bad for others (like someone "wanting" to blast his favorite tunes at full volume at 2am). In those cases it's best that they "suffer" not getting what they want.

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