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You can also not use iCloud, and have the same amount of privacy.


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Not if you want to avoid itunes or icloud.

Why would you use an iPhone if you don't want to use iCloud? That is the entire point of buying into the Apple ecosystem.

Well, I'm not going to use iCloud, and I'm sure I'm not alone, so probably none of them.

Apple's position on privacy also led me to switch to iCloud recently. I migrated my mail and drive to iCloud (from GMail, Google Drive) for this very reason and while there isn't always a 1-1 feature parity, I prefer to know that my data won't be used to analyze and categorize me for the purpose of advertising.

iCloud is free unless you pay for extra space or features, and most people I know of don't.

iCloud is in no way mandatory

Apple has the same kind of gap with iCloud.

Out of curiosity, why are you skeptical of iCloud? I tend to trust Apple more on privacy than other $BIGCORPS

It's eye opening that the author doesn't use iCloud? Why? Almost nobody uses iCloud. Each of its components is worst in class.

Huh? iCloud is also free up to 5GB.

Apple sells iCloud subscriptions though. And yet you're not worthy of their privacy if you didn't buy their completely DRM locked devices where they control even the content you're allowed to see.

Sorry, but I've been a iPhone user for many years, and will turn on iCloud about the 12th of Never. You totally give up all privacy for contacts, photos, appointments, etc. the moment you turn it on, and you can never undo that. Apple is NOT trustworthy enough to have that kind of insight into my life. (And Google is even worse, which is why I'm stuck with Apple as truly the lesser of two very definite evils.)

Apple chooses to run iCloud in basically the same way every mainstream cloud company does, plus some additional privacy features.

Expecting them to operate a service like iCloud like a tech-expert-focused privacy-first-even-before-usability service is just utterly unrealistic.


Why does this need iCloud and not just use the client?

I have three issues with that design: 1) privacy, 2) Apple banning your iCloud account for some reason without recourse, 3) and this further gives BigTech more control to wall off part of the web.

And it looks like they went and did this with CloudFlare and Fastly without requests for comments like most web standards?


> you do not need an iCloud account to use a mac or iPhone

... but you are similarly prompted and dark-patterned to create one anyway. It is just marginally easier to skip the choice, if you don't mind being nagged or diving into the buried option you need to switch it all off. And without an account, loads of features like family Screen Time don't even work.

Apple paved the way, while MS was being cautious because of the browser-related legal challenges. They made all this socially acceptable, so at one point the guys in Redmond rightly went "why can't we do the same?" and here we are.


Not everyone uses iCloud. I still refuse to have my most personal data backed up to a corp server. I’m probably in the minority but I’m sure there’s a sizable number of people like me.

I’m surprised no one mentions iCloud as a viable alternative. Reasons?

Apple is still ok, just don't use iCloud.

It isn’t “the same cloud” that you were talking about, it is iCloud.
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