I have no love lost for China[1], or Russia, or the US, all of whom have been duping successive Indian governments for the last 75 years for their own gains.[2]
However, if we were to assume that the origins are neither natural (wet markets) nor accidental (lab leaks), but deliberate action on the part of some state that is not China, I have to wonder about the likelihood of this being a botched attempt at triggering regime change in China by parts of the US government. It was executed perfectly in Egypt and Ukraine over the last decade. The extreme measures taken by the CCP that rapidly ended transmission within the country perhaps caused the project to fail.
It isnt possibly India. There is circumstantial evidence that it could be due to Chinese influence. The blanket interpretation ignoring context is not compelling. GL
I don't really think it is. Regardless of the moral/ethical issues with China and it's relationship with it's own population, this is China serving it's population.
It is in China's best interest to provide maximum value for China, that includes it's citizens. I don't think it's "unfair" for China to leverage whatever tools are at its disposal for the benefit of China.
In context the argument being presented here is that other countries are failing to do what is in the best interest for their populations. I don't think that's something that China should be taken to task for in this context.
India has huge operations of illegal but semi-tolerated scams that target gullible Americans with tech scams. India is a huge developing nation and likely to become a serious economic power. They are partially doing this off the back of taking wealth from where it is concentrated and bringing it home. I don't agree with it but it makes sense for India to do it to serve it's own people.
I was just in India in September and there are massive hydro-electric programs going on. Those have their own problems of environmental degradation and damage but I think India is keenly aware of seeing what has happened to China and is trying to avoid some of the same mistakes where possible.
It's funny looking at the responses bashing India's decision here. With the current geo-political climate, and China pretty much swallowing up and controlling all of India's neighbours - Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Nepal, I'd say this decision is long overdue.
In more recent months, China's military has become increasingly aggressive against India and in the South China Sea, and they've just recently passed a draconian 'national security' law in Hong Kong which pretty much allows them unlimited control over the territory.
With this in mind, China is starting to look like a grave threat to the peace and stability of Asia and beyond (apropos their recently influencing the elections in Kiribati and having a puppet leader installed).
India welcoming Chinese made software is like the US deploying Iranian or North Korean origin software. Tell me how that works out.
India, over security concerns and maybe to teach China a lesson over recent border disputes (1).
I am not in favor or against it personally since I don't understand economics or politics, but god do i miss ordering random stuff from this website for few bucks.
I don't see this as Nationalistic flamewar. I am calling out China's bad behavior since China, the government is the acting entity. There's also evidence that this Chinese behavior isn't limited to India. Hence, more the reason to pin it to the actor, which happens to be China, the government.
Maybe I should've clarified I was referring to Chinese government and Indian government in the previous comment.
it won't be that big. After 1962, Mao was the Chinese Primier and Nehru was Indian PM.
Right after the cuban missile crisis was solved, UK and US started dropping military equipment to help India.
Mao then did a single handed ceasefire and retreated back to the original places.
then a peace summit happened and India China decided to not indulge in a firefight at the border again.
And now China had started meddling in Indian affairs, after weeks of tensions, I don't know what Indian govt did, but tensions were de escalated.
Yes, sadly, both sides lost lives, but the thing is CCP has now claimed a Russian port of Vladivostok (I read in the news), it has claimed Bhutan, and Ladhak in India and it has always claimed Arunachal Pradesh (India)
I'd argue that the US actually has a national security interest in facilitating India's development, in a way that is obviously not true for China at this point.
More than the border skirmishes, China and India have a trade relationship that is predatory. It can even be considered colonial, with India being disadvantaged. India basically imports goods valued over 100 Billion USD from China and in return gets 0 opportunity to participate in the Chinese economy. The nature of the trade is intentional from the Chinese side. They cannot tolerate India as a major player in Asia and would rather deal with a loose entity like the ASEAN. The only thing India has going for it is that they are not indebted to the Chinese.
India is aware of this and is desperately trying to decouple from the Chinese economy. On the other hand India has deep ties to all the major Western economies with healthy trade balances that are not skewed either way.
People claiming India is looking to ditch the Western alliance and hook up with the Chinese are hilariously ill informed and unintelligent and lazy. India sees China as its top existential threat. Top Indian public officials have gone on to the extent to openly state that India's nukes are only meant for China. India's main foreign policy imperative since the days of the cold war has been to prevent a Russia-China alliance. This objective has now seemingly failed.
But a Russia-China alliance that will take shots against India is such a crazy nightmare for India that even now they are trying everything possible to maintain good relations with Russia, in spite of the Russians being pushed into a Chinese embrace. Ukraine's total destruction (or not) in the grand scheme of things is not of equal concern to India, compared to a hostile China that is joined by an equally hostile Russia.
Edit: In addition, it has to be mentioned, that India has always been skeptical of western support. Recent US withdrawal from Afghanistan is seen as proof that the West can never be relied upon and will ditch their friends for minor political gains. The unreliable nature of the west and the potential existential danger of an anti-India Russia-China alliance will keep India away from endorsing the Ukrainian side in the current war or even taking hostile steps against any Russian behaviour in the future. Neutrality in the current Ukraine conflict is the best any informed western analyst can even hope for.
One could also easily argue that the CCP has very little to gain from ruining almost all of their customers financially.
So far, it also looks like mainland China was hit hard, while Taiwan got off easy. The CCP would most likely not strengthen a territory that they hope to eventually absorb.
And lastly, I would assume that with Trump, the CCP could just bribe their way into Washington.
So I see very little for them to be gained from starting this. And you yourself also conclude that India is benefiting more than China.
India's massive bureaucratic system runs far deeper and more local than China ever has. The amount of paperwork and payoffs for even basic stuff in India is insane.
China on the other hand is mostly free and liberal up until you start being successful.
Acting like India isn't engage in authoritarian mass intervention, even though its in a more decentralize fashion is totally wrong. The only benefit is they have more independent courts and you can succeed with influence buying without the top-down threat that the CCP does to cripple foreign competitors in domestic firms favours.
India has a different sort of economic interference - but also one that's far easier to fix. Something Modi repeatedly promised and keeps failing to do.
India has a big population and doesn't throw thousands of falun gong and Uighurs into reeducation camps, harvesting their organs at whim.
India has a big population and doesn't threaten the sovereignty of democratic nations like Taiwan.
I'm happy to acknowledge the good things happening in China and the advancements its made since the cultural revolution (of which my partner's mother can tell you stories of from her time in labor camps), but not when the objective is to try to sweep under the rug the massive crimes against humanity China is doing, right now.
However, if we were to assume that the origins are neither natural (wet markets) nor accidental (lab leaks), but deliberate action on the part of some state that is not China, I have to wonder about the likelihood of this being a botched attempt at triggering regime change in China by parts of the US government. It was executed perfectly in Egypt and Ukraine over the last decade. The extreme measures taken by the CCP that rapidly ended transmission within the country perhaps caused the project to fail.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%...
[2] Tawang would have gone to China if Nehru had been left to deal with it : Sardar Patel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydguwz8lV7k)
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