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I completely agree, that’s why I said “wind, solar and batteries” :)


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Solar and wind and batteries, or solar and wind and a very large grid will be enough.

Wind and solar are great but they use up a lot of space and ideally we'd have more electric power than can be provided with just those two.

Wind, solar and batteries can do a lot. Wind and solar are pretty much good enough now, batteries less so but they are improving quite quickly.

Energy should come from solar and wind, I'd think.

Solar, wind, storage and an improved grid. It's always windy somewhere.

Wind and solar both need to be combined with something else because it’s not always sunny and windy.

Where did you see that "renewables are sorted out"? Or that windpower "doesn't need batteries as much as solar does".

What if you don't have wind? Sun? Is that also sorted out?


Even better is to solar, wind, and gas.

Note that we actually have wind and solar right now.

Wind helps supplement a lot most of the time. But there are times when there's no sun and no wind. For that, there's currently hydro, nuclear, and eventually batteries.

All these good things that solar and wind _can't_ provide? This'll be good - do you have a list?

Well the economic part is solved by solar/wind/batteries being much cheaper than all the other options, that's why this model overprovisions wind and solar.

So yes, lots of solar might make it more cost effective to add some wind and/or batteries and vice versa but that's a good thing and what this model explores.


More talking about solar+battery, and rare earth metals for battery. Wind can operate day/night

They should put solar panels on wind turbines then :)

edit: wind and solar of course

Wind is great, and has been cheaper. Solar is overtaking though.

One key point is that solar is very predictable and pairs well with lithium ion batteries that cycle daily to meet demand for most of the globe that doesnt have dark winters.


No one's suggesting 100% wind or solar but we can still improve the system with more. Plus both are incredibly quick to build compared to nuclear and fossil fuels, so if you're a country dependant on those (like the UK) it's one of the best ways to quickly improve your energy security.

agreed

a couple of quibbles, tho

the efficiency of photovoltaics and wind is only relevant here if you're powering them from stored energy, such as white-hot graphite blocks, rather than from the sun. or in the far future when human energy consumption has grown by two orders of magnitude

gas turbines are only 'renewables-only' if you make the gas from renewable energy


Wind and solar are pretty nice and rapidly growing.
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