My partner is ex-Christian Scientist (a faith-healing cult that doesn't believe in disease or medicine.) Zir whole family finally relented and got vaccinated, but they all got J+J. I don't know why that vaccine in particular (maybe because it's single-shot, so they only have to deal with hypocrisy once?) but that vaccine is popular with that cohort.
At least in the US, my impression is that vaccination refusal is more common among left-wing anti-corporate types than among fundamentalist Christians. It thrives any time there are non-rational beliefs, but it doesn't seem to be too picky about which kind.
It shows the conformity of people educated in science.
Now if God had made the vaccine, plenty of religious people would have been first in line, and if the vaccine was rumoured to make your neck redder, then red necks would have been first in line!
How many people didn't get vaccines because they live in a culture that is skeptical of the validity of science. And if this is the science they are getting exposed to, I don't blame them for being skeptical.
I saw a news clip of a woman getting vaccinated saying she trusts the vaccine because she "likes science." The vaccines appear to be mostly safe, but because you "like science" isn't a reason to trust them. What she means is she likes Mythbusters and thinks that's science.
Even the Catholic Church has given the A-OK for its adherents to take these vaccines. At this point, anyone you encounter citing a "religious" objection is more likely to be citing a personal preference.
I agree with you, there’s a weirdly political zealotry when it comes to such things.
I took the Sinopharm vac as I felt hesitant to take what I considered to be brand new tech in the MRNA vaccines (I ended up taking the MRNA one as well but that was for travel reasons where I live). And people online acted like I was a conspiracy theorist, for preferring the tried and tested tech of the traditional vaccine.
Your wife sounds smart. I appreciate her using her mind instead of giving into literally everyone and everything screaming at her to just get vaccinated.
Incredible how so many people feel so comfortable injecting some experimental fluid into their bodies just because the authority figure and the TV-man said so.
And they come in their high horses, saying "follow the science", "it is safe and effective". Making it super clear that they are just reading the titles or what the TV-man tells them the science says.
Because if they had read some of that science, they'd see that it is looking as clear as day that the vaccination is causing ADE and so much more and premise of having your cells exhibit spike proteins of its own so that you can develop immunity to it is a gun that we have jumped on without actually thinking about it.
But you know, it is easy to scream misinformation like others replying to post when the whole world is going to join the choir.
It is SUPER COMFY being on the wrong side of history. When all the large corporations and legacy media comes in to praise you and comfort you, that's how one one knows they are on the right side of history. Right?
All you have to do is ask if they're being consistent.
If they've taken all the vaccinations to this point but suddenly have an issue with this particular vaccine, then it's not a religious thing. Personally, I don't feel like it should matter whether a belief is fundamentally religious or not. The thing that matters is that a person believes it.
That said, if they aren't being consistent, then there's no reason to take them seriously.
I think this is really a case of self righteous indignation. There are people who truly believe you must take the vaccine, and nothing will convince them otherwise, but more importantly, If you say no you won’t take the vaccine, they take it as a personal attack on their beliefs. In other words: how dare you say no to what I want you to do.
Yeah, there is something weird about that vaccine - before I had it I thought people where stupid not to get vaccinated, since I've had it I'm entirely sick of the utter cretins.
Could just be a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc though.
I don't think this is just about vaccines... it's about a general rejection of science. When 25% or so of the population simply rejects science as some sort of greedy conspiracy, it's very hard to manage society in a scientific manner.
Right or wrong, I think most normal people are a bit skeptical about being asked to take what they were told was a 95% effective vaccine for the fifth time. I wouldn’t call it bad faith.
I'm not upset about that. Personally, I think vaccines are a minuscule risk, and worth taking, but that's me.
The "why not," for me, is if someone truly believes a vaccine is harmful, maybe due to religion or because she's a researcher that believes there is some second order risk (founded or not), it's immoral to force them to do so.
Let me share a story about why we need to be questioning the the pro-vaccination movement.
My fiance has a daughter that had an extremely bad reaction to her age 3ish(she was young, maybe 5) set. Her immune system started filling itself full of heavy metals, she went into shock, wouldn't stop screaming and rocking. When my fiance took her to the hospital, not a single doctor would acknowledge that the only new thing introduced to her system was the mandatory vaccination.
What my fiance ended up doing was forcing the hospital to discharge her daughter and went straight to the alternative medicine. Dosed her up on herbal detox and needled her multiple sessions. Finally her body relaxed from the shock and she stopped feeling like she was dying.
Put yourself in my this mothers shoes? How would you feel about mandatory vaccinations if this had been your previous experience? We recently had to give this same little one a tetanus shot, the only shot is also bundled with diptheri and pertussis, called the TDAP shot. Thankfully the little ones immune system didnt go haywire over this one but it was a stressful moment of faith that we labored over.
In the end, none of the science was what lead us to say yes. We prayed to God, and we asked for peace within her body and we took a step of faith despite our fear. We asked ??? to shoulder our suffering and we let our ego die a little, we let go of our fear.
As a society... are we acting out of fear? We must ask ourselves this, we must face our ego down and let it die.
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