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So the US is a criminal organization.


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The biggest enemy of the USA is the US government.

US kills and tortures its own citizens if they are labeled 'criminals' or 'terrorists', or just lets cops murder activists without being charged.

US has heavy surveillance infrastructure, and a kafkaesque 'private' credit system that I have no doubt the TLAs can manipulate with their banking partners.

US politicians are currently working to ban the histories of racism and genocide from public schools when they make the country look bad. US media frequently participates in disinformation campaigns coordinated with state intelligence.

US has done more successful election manipulation/coups than any other country on the planet.

As a US citizen, I am vastly more afraid of of the US government than I am the CCP.


The problem is that the US government is engaging in activities that are illegal for the US government. The government is not above the law.

US committing crimes does not attract much discussion these days.

A lot of people in the US currently find the US government their adversary.

tl;dr US government doesn't only protect their war criminals, but also other kinds of criminals. And US public either doesn't care, or can't do anything.

I'm not saying America doesn't do any racketeering. I am saying that they get the job done though, and the job sucks.

Snatching people from the streets, turtur and arrests without trial or seeing a court. Sending the opposition to forced exile.

That's just objectively worse than the shit going on in the US. But I do feel the US is getting there. This new war on crime the is planning, his sending federal agents to democratic states and basically calling parts of the population enemies is very worrying.


The US government is the bloodiest, most indebted, and most imprisoning institution on the planet.

And I agree, it is astoundingly well-functioning at it.


And? The US doesn’t work the way you think it does. It operates illegally and protects its powers over people. As a factual observation. What then

Don't forget that we hate the US government here, anyone that does anything to damage it is a hero and anyone that respects it is a menace.

Much of the US Federal Government is anti-American at this point.

Most people on HN belong to another ~10x crime group: Americans, all those bombs and guns blowing up stuff all over the world to 'protect' capitalism...50% of American's taxes makes us individually responsible

The only mechanism the USA has for influencing human behavior is criminalization.

The US government is doing that?

This idea that the US is becoming a police state is a joke. The biggest scam ever pulled on the American people is convincing them that the US government is in control of the country. The country is barely managed, hell there are tens of millions of undocumented aliens.

The US is also a secretive, authoritarian government with an established disregard for human rights, as recent events have shown again.

The current US government is blatantly and overtly criminal, it seems reasonable to me to assume anyone arguing in their favor is arguing in bad faith and disengage.

No one seems to touch on the fact the government and the law is wrong. Simple as that.

The USA government leaches off humanity. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and the USA is the most corrupted country on the face of the earth.

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