Hacker Read top | best | new | newcomments | leaders | about | bookmarklet login

I don't get this apologetic comment.

The crime she was convicted of isn't a crime you should spend effectively the rest of your life in jail for. It's as simple as that.



sort by: page size:

> I'm kinda happy for her that her punishment is fairly mild - I mean after all she'll have to live with the guilt for the rest of her life - but she's definitely responsible for it.

This is an odd statement. She killed someone. Feeling bad about it is irrelevant imo. And living with guilt is not the equivalent of time served.


> Why would she be charged with manslaughter?

You are missing the point. She can always be charged with manslaughter and take her max of 10 years in prison, or she can plea bargain down to 1 month.

It's not about what you can prove, but what you can extort using trumped up charges to force a plea.

(I'm not being serious, but that was the OP's point i believe)


>Her inability to accept any responsibilty is terrible

Should she not do everything she can to reduce her eventual sentence? Can you really blame her?


> In fairness, she is a convicted murderer.

Who did her time and paid her dues to society. That's the point of rehabilitation.


> She’s still walking around freely.

Wow, I didn't know this, but you're right:

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/a39299534/elizabeth-hol...

She received an 11-year sentence last November but she's apparently a free woman until April 27th of this year.

Can someone who knows more about the American legal system explain this to me? Why is this possible? I assumed that when you're sentenced you get taken to jail pretty much immediately.

(Yes, I'm sure the short answer is just "because she has lots of money", but what are the details? What exactly did she spend it on to buy an extra 5 months of freedom?)


> She's been tried convicted and pardoned.

No, she has not been pardoned. She received clemency, which is substantively different than a pardon.


> There is an appeal, so let's see if she really belongs there.

I think you're missing the point, yes it is legal for anyone to appeal a conviction.

In the US (and I assume most of the rest of the world) that is dependent on your ability to pay a lawyer to do that for you and your likely outcome is impacted by the price you are able to pay for that lawyer.

The other point is, this is a conversation about a two tier justice system. Rich people get to spend their appeal in a mansion, poor people sit in prison waiting on an appeal.

So I would say, she's been convicted of a crime and has been given time for it, send her to prison like everyone else.

Once her appeal is successful, then let her go back to that life of luxury.


> It was absurd, to the point the sentencing judge made his displeasure known.

The judge is free to dismiss the charge, if he thinks it's absurd. How did she end up with a conviction?


> Nothing she did deserves what happened. Nothing.

she was convicted of harrasment of minors by a jury in a court of law. presumably there was supporting evidence of the harrasment charges, and that's not something that the article disputes.


> they kept her behind bars for the rest of her life

You are assuming she had no choice to leave.


"She lost her teaching credentials instead of 40 years in prison."

It stuns me that 40 years was even a possibility. And it makes me wonder: have there been cases like this that we've never heard of, with similar vengeful prosecutors and similar ignorant, bewildered, defendants, who now cry themselves to sleep every night over what happened to their life?

I wouldn't doubt it.


> She’s suffered huge and profound consequences for her actions.

Like what? Life seems to have gone on as normal for her, other than having to make a bunch of court appearances.


>If this thing was minor, there's still 2 months you'll never get back.

There is no argument what jail time is bad. It is the offense that seems to be minor (and thus easy to fight for a lawyer) - while IANAL, my understanding from what i see and hear around, misdemeanor resulting in 2 months of county jail without a lawyer is really not that big a deal, on par with second DUI, something what with a lawyer can be on the scale of like a month or two of community service, etc...

After googling around, i even more convinced that not having a lawyer (whether by choice or due to not being able to afford it) was her great misfortune as while legally she seems to be a violator, personally i got the impression that at the social level she was kind of a victim, or more precisely she happened to be too weak for (and was broken by) the relationships and the people (much higher-ups in her professional and social hierarchy) she allowed herself to be involved with. Basically she needs counseling, and instead the society comes with all the power of law upon her and throws her in jail (the events do seems to had gotten somewhat out of hands, so something needed to be done, the issue here is what should have been done - the good lawyer would probably was able to turn it into correctional/rehabilitation/treatment direction instead of the pure punitive).


>The former civil servant, Anchan Preelert, was sentenced to 87 years, but her prison term was cut in half because she agreed to plead guilty.

I looked her up, she is 65 now. I don't know why she even bothered pleading guilty.


> That leaves the former Silicon Valley star a step closer to serving prison time.

Don't appeals usually occur _from_ prison? Why was she not immediately incarcerated after the guilty verdict?


> Michelle ultimately served 3½ months in jail ... Michelle had no intention of breaking any laws and no idea that she’d broken any laws.

There is something desperately wrong with our legal system when a situation like that is even possible.


>I agree she was negligent. I don't think she should go to prison for it.

but we literally have a law for "negligent homicide"?


> Holmes got 9 years, but her actions had severe real world effects on people.

My understanding is she was convicted for financial bits, not harming people.


> I'm utterly amazed that this comment has been downvoted to silence

Because it comes off as incredibly cruel.

> while the sentence seems harsh some sentence is necessary

Why? Her crime was trying to vote. They caught it and said no. She believed she was legally able to vote.

There is no malice.

next

Legal | privacy