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Not true: here is one example of testimony:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/17/theranos-patient-says-blood-...



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Testimony is a form of evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testimony


Testimony is evidence.

Here is a humorous and accurate blog post about testimony:

http://neverusefb.blogspot.com/2018/04/accurate-reponse-to-f...


Witness testimony is evidence.

I'm skeptical--are there any court cases where they've actually testified about this?

My favorite example:

>In one case, West claimed to have matched the bite marks in a half-eaten bologna sandwich to the defendant. The jury convicted. (The conviction was overturned on appeal when defense lawyers discovered that the autopsy report recorded a partial bologna sandwich in the stomach of the victim.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/02/17/...


> with no facts in the case.

afaik testimony matters in a case, no?


Nope. Tell the truth.

In my experience, the defense asked specific questions related to this exact topic and sought out jurors who agreed that police testimony is not guaranteed to be factual. I have to assume this is common. They had no problem filling the juror box with jurors approved by both sides.


Testimony is evidence, just not _conclusive_ evidence.

The reality is for such cases there’s basically never going to be conclusive evidence; I think that’s why they cause such a divide amongst people


> witness testimony

There are two kinds of witness testimony - the most common is where a witness sees a stranger and testifies about it. Those have little credibility.

But there's another kind, where the witness actually knows the person, those are far more credible. Historically only this type was permitted, but over time things seem to have shifted to the first type.


Source? Not trying to be snarky, just would like more details. What counts as testimony?

What about when the defense agrees that it is in fact the victim's blood? Many things in a trial are stipulated to be true.

Here are some examples showing that is common practice (some from transcripts of real trials in the US):

https://www.stimmel-law.com/en/articles/testifying-trial-how... (search for "would you read the first paragraph")

https://law.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/34/2016/09/4... (search for "would you read the part")

https://www.patrickmalonelaw.com/useful-information/legal-re... (search for "would you read")

https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/6141/index... (search for "would you read")

https://archive.epic.org/free_speech//cda/lawsuit/transcript... (search for "would you read")

https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/8/2023/2023-O... (search for "would you read")

You'll also generally find examples of this if you're willing to sit through long cross-examinations such as e.g. the Murdaugh case.


> Only thing that matters: what is said under oath

You mean that what a witness has said outside of court can't be presented as evidence?


Of course this is the case, but rather than lying, I think it is only a consequence of selection bias. You don't see the experts rejected by the prosecution (or defence) for opinions that aren't helpful, because of course they won't be invited to testify.

Wikipedia describes testimony as a type of evidence, in a judicial context. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testimony


> Hearsay is testimony about a declarant's statement outside of court.

Yes, and in your first example, Bob's statement is outside of court, and Jane's description of it is admissible. (Same as how mattis's description of Trump's admission would be admissible)

There are also cases where Jack's statement would be admissible (for example if Jane was unable to be called as a witness).


> In court, while being questioned, you're compelled ... to testify

To be clear, not if you're the defendant.


No, a statement is not evidence no matter how much you want it to be. A _sworn testimony_ of a _witness_ is evidence. But there can't really be any witness here, unless the person on the other end was extremely careless. So you get a bunch of hot air and unsubstantiated allegations which will never go anywhere.
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